歡迎收聽「思維轉換力量」播客，這是一檔面向青少年及其相關成年人的節目，我們將在這裡進行坦誠而直接的對話。我是主持人法蒂瑪貝，思維轉換專家。歡迎大家！今天我們邀請到的是賈塞尼亞·麥考利，她來自紐約州斯克內克塔迪，是一位企業家。

She is a wardrobe utilization specialist, and the name of her business is Styled and Emerged. How are you today, Jesenia? I'm very well. Thank you, Fatima. How are you?

I'm awesome. I'm looking forward to this conversation because I think it's gonna be a little different than what people are used to hearing. Now with me, I like to dive right in. So we're gonna talk about the the, effects of fashion on our mental health. So let's just start off with asking you, what are the effects of fashion on our mental health?

So the effects of fashion on our mental health actually vibrate deeper than we, perceive. Mhmm. It can change how we interact with others. It could change how we interact with our actual goals, and it really can change how we we are motivated to show up in the world. If we do not feel certain feelings that we expect to from our wardrobe, then sometimes it it actually does affect how we show up in the world.

我完全同意。現在讓我們更深入地探討一下你剛才所說的話。時尚如何影響我們的心理健康，舉幾個例子吧？例如，有些老舊的模型與現實用戶不符，對嗎？

嗯。我們現在面臨的情況是，一個主題被操縱，以迎合品牌、廣告商或行銷人員的訊息傳遞。這樣一來，消費者實際上就無法意識到廣告和行銷人員如何努力打造他們的理想形象。因此，我們被困在一個追逐人類無法實現的理想的空間。對嗎？

So we have the Photoshop. We have the the lifestyle. We have the, the social acceptance. However, again, because these are advertise advertisements and marketing tactics, we don't realize that, again, it's not something that's, achievable because it's not a reality that anyone lives in. Very true.

And this is not something that is a recent phenomenon, and this is not any really, it's nothing new. But I think what's newer or, what's newer about it is the intensity, at which it affects us. I think that people don't realize, you know, as you said earlier, it's it got it goes deep right into your psyche and describes who we are, tells us who we are and who we're not, and has us comparing ourselves against fantasies. You know, as as a person, never you know, my listeners know I make and design wedding gowns and, and and deal with prom girls a lot. And that's something that I see a lot, and I'm gonna keep talking about it on the episodes because it to me, it's it's a big deal.

很多顧客來我這裡，你知道，我的工作就是幫他們量身訂做，讓她們穿上禮服看起來漂亮。她們常常不滿意，不是因為我做的，而是對自己不滿意，因為她們穿的禮服根本不符合我的形象。你知道嗎？我以前也舉過這個例子。例如，我遇過一些參加舞會的女孩，她們因為自己的肚子不夠平坦而非常沮喪。

Guess what? You have a uterus. It's not supposed to be. You know? And, I mean, that's just a small example.

But, you know, oh my god. My butt's not big enough. My butt's too big. My hips aren't wide enough. My legs are too long.

Whatever whatever it is. And I think I think there's such a big deal to talk about. So let's talk about we know that fashion can affect our mental health. What is the evidence that a person can take a look at themselves and say, wait a minute. Fashion is negatively affecting my self image?

所以我把這叫做「八二法則」。自從2018年公司開業以來，我一直在努力想辦法讓一些我經常談論的話題正常化，對吧？所以，我對待客戶時，就叫它「八二法則」。你應該看看你的衣櫃，看看你衣櫃裡的所有衣服，然後在一個365天的日曆裡評估一下，你是否使用了其中的80%。對吧？

所以你看看你的衣櫃，你會發現你有工作服、外出服、高爾夫服和園藝服。對吧？嗯。然後你開始盤點，看看你是否真的需要──這是我工作中關於利用率的部分。你需要10條牛仔褲，並且打算以健康的方式利用它們嗎？

對吧？如果你只在園藝時穿牛仔褲，那麼你生活中的其他穿搭就沒用了。所以，每個月你選擇在天氣好的時候去園藝，買10條牛仔褲放在衣櫃裡佔地方，一年到頭都佔地方，這值得嗎？對吧？所以，這條「二八法則」不僅能幫助我們優雅地選擇那些衣櫥裡那些懷舊又充滿情懷的單品，還能讓我們優雅地選擇那些並非經常穿著的季節性單品，同時還能讓我們關注這是否是一個可持續的衣櫥，這不僅對環境有益，也對我們的心理健康有益。

The management of wardrobe actually takes a toll on us as well because of mental clutter. You know, that whole feng shui, mental physical clutter is mental clutter. I took that as well and put it into my practice because it's true. People will say they have nothing to wear, and people will have negative remarks about their wardrobe because their wardrobe isn't displayed in a way that is easily accessible to them. So they feel as though they do not have the wardrobe, but in actuality, they have an overabundance.

好的。所以我聽到的一個負面消息是，我們沒有正確看待自己的衣櫃。這就是其中之一。我們沒有評估它們。我們沒有。

It's just something that once, you know, we're grown adults, it's our job to dress ourselves or we'll go to jail. Right? So In some places. Right. But, yes.

So we we are tasked with this somewhat of a burden for those of us who do not enjoy wardrobe. We do some people do not enjoy fashion and wardrobe and dressing in a manner that speaks to how they feel. So in that case, a lot of times, we either let someone else who is enthusiastic about it handle it, like a spouse or a child or a family member Mhmm. Or, of course, professionals like myself, but again or it turns into this ever compiling burden that we don't realize is stuffed full of decades worth of, you know, memories, but not very useful to us. Yes.

I think one of the other negative effects that I have personally seen, with friends, but also in working in the bridal industry for as long as I've had, I've seen in different capacities. But I see women that will just not go to a party because they don't have an outfit that they feel is good enough to be accepted. I think that's one of the I think that's one of the negative effects too. That is definitely a negative effect, and that is something that is based off of what is called enclose cognition. Mhmm.

That term was coined in 2012, and it is used to describe how the clothing that we wear affects, the person wearing them. Right? So if someone wanted to go and be the belle of the ball, but they don't find the items to make them feel that way, or we don't find the item that that would make others perceive us to be that way, that's a lot of the times when you have those those mental breakdowns of, like, I just can't even do it off of an inanimate object that doesn't really affect the performance. But, again, mentally, it has everything to do with the performance. So the socialite cannot be social without the right tools.

And Right. Right. For them, that right that perfect outfit is the tool to to set everything, about their personality, into a a comfortable setting, you know, mentally. Again, mentally, like, I can't go if I don't look like this. Okay.

But what if you don't? That's not a thought because mentally, they've already the cognition already, decided for them that they're not going to be successful. Now let me ask you a a a an unusual question that I'm just making up right now to for perspective. On a scale of zero to a hundred, how important should we consider our wardrobe in our overall life? So I would go back to my eighty twenty rule and go with 80, you know, 80 on that scale of a hundred.

Okay. It's go ahead. So we in in terms of the importance, zero being not important, a hundred being important, so 80 is where we should be, not a hundred. Absolutely. Again, we have to give ourselves some grace for those times in which wardrobe is not as meaningful to us as it is the person perceiving us.

Right? And those are the days where we're not feeling well, where we are putting our goals over our parents, and that other 80% really is a mixture of keeping yourself just general good hygiene and self care, and thus consideration of how your wardrobe options will help you project propel rather towards your goals. And that's that's a key thing you just said. It's not just the clothes alone. Your hygiene, your general self care and your clothing, they're all wrapped up into the same, you know, into the same bun, I would say, when it comes to self esteem, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

I I do see the importance of people check for the listeners right now. Check check your your mindset. Do you not go to events because of your clothing? Because I would say that's negative and unhealthy. If you're gonna miss out on something that you could be shining at, because you don't have the right outfit or because your hair you didn't go to the hair salon this week because hair comes into this too.

你知道，我覺得它們又像一個整體的一部分，同一個動物的各個部分。嗯，我這週沒做頭髮，所以不能去，因為我的頭髮看起來不太對勁。你可以用髮膠把頭髮往後梳，綁個髮髻，看起來還是不錯的。總有辦法解決這個問題。如果你過度重視它，那它就是個錯誤，但它也告訴我們，它也向你展示了你在自我形象方面有多麼不平衡，因為你的時尚是你自我形象的一部分。

Right. And see the the part about, having the hygiene is so key to any great wardrobe because it takes apart, it takes away any insecurities that we don't, we think others perceive. So that part is just like, honestly, maybe 30% of that hundred is just general hygiene, just basic. Maybe some people say my routines aren't basic, but if you talk to professional dentists and dermatologists, they might suggest some of the things I suggest to people and my clients. But with that said, right, brushing, flossing, scrubbing your tongue, that right there can make give someone the confidence just to go out and talk to people if they have a social anxiety.

那麼，再加上一套能表達你內心感受的酷炫服裝，這怎麼可能不是成功的秘訣呢？對吧？因為反過來說，有人說如果沒有合適的服裝，他們甚至無法正常生活。所以，對我來說，這30%真的非常重要，在專注於打造完美造型之前，我絕對不會忽略至少看看這些方面是如何處理的。我完全同意，很高興你提到了這一點，因為我們認為時尚，哦，只有衣服才重要。

But I can tell you, after a nice fresh shower, I'm all lotioned up. It doesn't even matter what I'm wearing. I feel good. You know what I mean? And and I don't know.

It's not not unique to me, you know, and those things matter too. That self care piece is just as important because, like, it it just it really matters if you're like even if you did your nails yourself because you couldn't go to the salon because you got bills to pay this week. Hey, that's really for people, right? So you, you, you, you did your nails yourself or had your friend do your nails or whatever. It still makes you feel better.

你知道，這仍然會讓你感覺更好。而當我們對自己的感覺會影響我們的表現時。我不在乎你指的是派對、面試、任何場合、家庭聚會，無論是什麼場合，你的自我感覺都會影響你的行為。它會影響你的舉止。這就是我們進行這次對話的原因，因為如果我們在整體形像上投入太多，以至於我們賦予它百分比的價值，而它的價值應該是80%或更低，這對我們來說是不健康的。

And we're defining ourself by something that is very fallible, and and it's not good for us. So and, you know, this show is for teens. So, I really wanted to have to to have this conversation in the ear of teens. It applies to all of us, but especially with teens because of the fact that we have social media today. And it rules and reigns in a way that it didn't, for my generation or yours.

你知道，我們曾經有過社群媒體，但不像今天這樣。它不像今天這樣統治和主宰一切。所以，當我們審視所有這些內容時，你知道，正如我現在對觀眾所說，正如傑西尼亞之前所說，我們眼前呈現的一些圖像並非真實。它們被過濾到了地獄，被過濾到了死亡。

And they're like, this is me after 25 filters and, you know, and and it's not really them at all, or they only show you a piece of them. So I wanna ask you, we talked about what the negative effects are of the fashion of fashion. What are some of the what is evidence? So what is examples of a healthy mindset when it comes to fashion? When you look at this person and say, okay, they might have a healthy mindset.

What does that look like? Well, the first thing, of course, is the wardrobe maintenance. Right? So how is the wardrobe that is currently owned? How much of a burden is that putting in the person's life?

And I'm not saying that just not wanting to do laundry, right, because, I mean, most of us probably don't like doing laundry, but it's so it's not that part. It's the part of once the laundry is actually getting done, does that turn into an issue because you're having to put things away and that becomes haphazard? Or do you just wash clothes and not put them away? Do they just stay in the basket until you use it? Right?

So those are the times in which I would say, of course, there's life sometimes gets busy. There's other parameters. Right? But I'm just saying if your general normal, like, interaction with your wardrobe is stressful, I would say that's an indication of, okay, I'm just putting these away and and taking them out to use them. Why is there stress involved?

Right? Because advertisers and marketers are not going to they're not gonna help you with that part. They're going to help you buy the things, and they're also not going to help you buy the things in a manner that really is for you. So it's our job to cut down that stress by evaluating how are these items actually showing up in my actual life. So I would say that that's the first thing.

The second thing is is if you're actually stressed when you're getting dressed. So the first part was about putting putting it away, laundering it. The second part of is about getting dressed. Do you look forward to getting dressed, or are you finding yourself frustrated because you can't find that one handbag? That kind of can take away from an exciting moment.

Why is it Because I know there was 35,000 people that just looked at it, looked at the phone or looked at their TV or wherever they're listening to and go, yeah, that was me. Right. I have the right handbag. At a certain point, it's all of us, and that's, you know, even myself. Right?

So it's just one of those things where if you're finding that that's happening too much, to give you guys, like, a a little note about my closet, right, I'm a shoe girl. When I start to notice that I have too many shoe boxes in places that they don't belong, and I have too many shoes by my door, that's usually about the time that I start to evaluate my wardrobe as a whole for those those maintenance types of issues. So some people may I mean, their thing might be scarves or jackets. Right? Just what you utilize the most, see how that's showing up, and if it's showing up organized and you're not stressed about your wardrobe and that's put away, then you're probably in a good space.

接下來，也可能是最後一部分，是運用。你的衣服是否真的能吸引你所尋求的關注，滿足你的期望，實現你設定的目標？這些也很重要。就我個人而言，我認為與我合作的客戶，包括許多專業人士，合作過。因此，很多時候，他們都在尋找能夠吸引正面關注、開啟人脈對話的造型。

And it's easier sometimes to be inspired by what those people do, which is what the listeners can take from this is you can be inspired by what you do to start those conversations and not have to work so hard to get your foot in the door. So if you're an artist out there and you paint a lot and you walk around with paint on your clothes, consider wearing in a white outfit or getting strategic white pieces in your wardrobe so that the paint actually looks stylish and you can open up those conversations that could lead to getting new clients. There you go. And this is the reason y'all need to hire her, because how she thinks. Now but and and thank you for for for, explaining explaining that, in the way you did because I'm at first, I'm like, I asked you what the positive ones are.

But you you got you got you got around to it, but you did have to explain that first. And so that makes sense to me. And I will say that I've been guilty of that in the past, especially when you talked about the purse thing. Yeah. I was just like, that was me in the past.

You know? Now no. But but I'm not gonna hem and haw that much over it. But working in the working in the, bridal industry for as long as I have, if I have a special occasion to go to, I hem and haw a little bit more than most people because I make and design dresses. So everybody's freaking staring at me.

So it's different for me than the average person in that respect. And I do get that. But even before I worked in the bridal industry, I used to do that. So I really related to that, that that piece about, oh my God, I don't have the right shoes. And And I know there's people listening out there right now, and I know I know I know y'all are listening, and you're like, I do.

Stop stressing yourself out, please. You don't need to do that. You need to have some balance because that's the key thing. If I'm gonna have one keyword out of everything that Justine is saying, I would say the keyword is balance. You know, that obviously, you don't wanna run around looking like a bum.

我們誰也不知道。但我們真的不應該像我們有時那樣，把太多的權力分配給我們的衣櫃，因為我們有時在失衡的時候會為此而抓狂。一開始，我問過你，我提到你是「戰衣櫥」專家，不會說話。衣櫃利用專家。耶。

I said it. So tell us what that means. What what is what is that? So I have went ahead and fused the psychology of fashion with the use of fashion, which is, you know, fashion styling. Right?

I started my business as a stylist, and I focus at first just on trying to help my clients get unique and expressive looks. But in doing that work, I started, I would start, I would start off with my clients doing a detox. Those conversations led me into being a wardrobe utilization specialist, right? Oh, okay. Because I have clients who will be looking at their closet, and I'll be asking questions like, Okay, how do you feel about this?

Well, I don't wear it, but I had it since high school, and I got an award in it. So I just think it's, I think it's nice to keep around, right? I know you're not lying. I know you're not, but it happens so often. And then for me, because I am optimistic and I am a, you know, glass half full type of person, if you will, I didn't mind pushing into those conversations to say, well, why do you have it?

Like, why not take a picture? Oh, I can't fit it. Oh, so you can't use it? No. No.

我沒辦法用它，只想留著它。嗯，沒錯，這就是我運用心理學原理的地方。我來這裡只是為了給她們設計造型。我來這裡只是為了幫助她們擁有一個漂亮的衣櫥，讓她們感覺良好，並且井井有條。但我常常離開時才意識到，這感覺有點像我在指導她們如何接受她們的不自知，如何接受沒有裙子的事實，但仍然感到有成就感，因為她們仍然穿著那件裙子，領獎，或者穿著那雙便士樂福鞋，領獎。

So for me, it wasn't really a conversation of, oh, well, let's figure out a way for you to keep it. It became a conversation of, How can this be useful to you now? Good point. And that's where I started to embark and to, you know, learn impressing upon my time in school, I do have degree in fashion, so that consumer behavior, that marketing, and all of those things came up. And I realized that no one is really advocating for the consumer in these conversations when it comes to the fashion industry.

The fashion industry has Say it again. Yeah. No one is speaking for and to the consumer as in the fashion industry. It's very little. And when people do, it's not it's not from the psychology standpoint.

通常要么是可持續，要么是時尚，對吧？我覺得，嗯，兩者皆可，因為我親眼目睹，也親身經歷過。你可以時尚，獲得讚美，充滿自信，憑藉你的衣櫥單品展開精彩的對話，同時還能可持續地採購，不用擔心新聞曝光後你內心的衝突，對吧？就像 Rana Plaza 那樣。是的。

You know, one of the biggest clients for Rana Plaza, was JCPenney. And for those who don't know, Rana Plaza was a factory out in Bangladesh that actually collapsed because the building wasn't zoned correctly for manufacturing. It was an office building, and they put all these heavy machinery in it, and then the vibrating caused a collapse. So when Americans like us, who advertisers have basically abused, mentally abused into consumerism and compulsive purchasing, it gets to a point to where it's overwhelming. So for someone like myself, like I said, I didn't see it appropriate to see this pattern with my clients and not figure out a way for my business to kind of meet that need.

Right? It's important for all entrepreneurs to meet a need. That was the need I saw for the fashion industry with somebody that's openly and honestly able to speak on dispel some of these tricks that advertisers and marketers use because I know about them and put them in the hands of the consumer so that we're making very well and informed decisions. Yes. Social media, as you said, sorry to cut you off, this one piece.

您剛才提到社群媒體，廣告商和行銷人員剝奪了我們消費者購買過程中資訊收集的環節。所以我們看到有人在網路上有訊息，這就足夠了。我們不需要再了解任何關於如何購買的資訊。這是一個大問題。

是的。你說得對。你絕對沒錯。時尚比我們想像的要深刻得多。那你們還提供什麼其他服務呢？

So I offer workshops, consultations, actual wardrobe utilization services in the commercial and personal sector. And that is about it. The company has been through so many changes, and I'm excited to say that we are strictly focused on wardrobe utilization now. I think that I think that, you would be a good person for talking to high schools. Have you gotten into that at all yet?

Oh, thank you. I recently started conversations with Schenectady High School on joining their assemblies. So I'm excited to finish that conversation this month and see where that leads us. And also, I will be reaching out to a few other local high schools to see what programs or what opportunities they have for me to get in front of teenagers because that's the demographic that the advertisers and marketers have very deeply, they're very much impressed by all of the branding and marketing. So it will be great to talk to them and get them a little more empowered and in control of their buying power.

They have the most discretionary income of the demographics because they have a lot a lot of times people, taking care of them, but they have the money because they're teenagers, so that will be exciting. Well, I hope that that works out for you, and I hope that other I hope other people can hear this and invite you in because I think that it's a very, very worthy conversation. And, again, one of those conversations that people don't think about having, but it's right in our face. Right. So how can people find you?

You guys can find me at, www.styledandemerged and at styled and emerged on all platforms. On Instagram, there's an underscore between the n and the e in styledandemerged. And can you spell style that emerged for them? Because it's spelled differently. Absolutely.

風格是space n space emrg d。好吧，很獨特。還有她的連結也會在節目筆記裡。好吧，謝謝你，Giacenie。

我很高興我們進行了這次對話，希望我們今天在聽眾心中播下了一些種子。我也是。非常感謝法蒂瑪邀請我，也感謝大家的聆聽。希望這些內容對你們有幫助。現在，讓我們進入一個轉換思維的時刻。

I wanna leave you with this today. I want you to think about how much does your wardrobe and your overall appearance affect your activities and how you see yourself. Just take a deep dive and do some self examination. And the other thing I want to note is especially to young women, you do not have to live up to the images you see on TikTok, Instagram, or whatever platform you're looking at. 90% of that is fake.

你難道沒有意識到，世上有些產業，有些產業，其全部目的就是讓你覺得自己糟糕透頂、愚蠢至極？因為這是他們讓你購買其產品的唯一方法。這是他們讓你去做你自認為需要的手術的唯一方法。這是他們讓你購買你可能根本不需要的腹部整形產品的唯一方法。我希望你好好想想這些。

I want you to kind of think about yourself as more than just a consumer puppet. Just think about that. Thank you for listening to mind shift power podcast. Please like and subscribe to my YouTube channel at the mind shifter. If you have any comments, topic suggestions, or would like to be a guest on the show, please visit FatimaBay.com/podcast.

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