Welcome to Mindshift Power podcast, a show for teenagers and the adults who work with them, where we have raw and honest conversations. I'm your host, Fatima Bey, the mind shifter. And welcome. Today, we have with us m Susan Patterson. She is in New Hampshire.

她當了25年的高中老師，也教了10年的大學一年級。她今年71歲了，這正是她今天上節目的原因。蘇珊，你今天好嗎？我很好。你呢？

I'm good. I'm really excited to have this conversation. You and I have talked quite a bit off the air, about this conversation. And we're having this episode because of a statement you actually made to me in the middle of our conversations. What statement did you make to me about young people disrespecting older people?

我記得我說過，也許老年人應該多尊重年輕人一點。然後你也說，年輕人也值得被尊重。是的。我現在還記得。然後，砰，麥克風掉下來了。

That's really when you said that to me, it was like, oh, wait a minute. That's a whole show right there because it's it's the truth. And what you said to me is so important because I see a problem between your generation. You're in your seventies. But I'm gonna talk about when I say your generation today, to the audience just to clarify, I mean, people that are 50, 50 years old or older Mhmm.

我們並非都屬於同一代人，但談到這個話題，我們的確是同一代人。所以，對於50歲的人來說，我發現他們和青少年世代之間有著巨大的差距。我發現，年輕人非常不尊重人。他們對我們的老一輩不那麼尊重。但就像你說的，我也看到我們的老一輩不尊重年輕一代。

Mhmm. This is a problem on both ends. There's reasons for it, which we'll we can talk about in this episode, but it's a problem because we should respect our elders. But our elders shouldn't be so disrespectful that we don't wanna be respectful. True.

You know? There's there's a balance that has to be had, which is something that you were saying to me. And, again, I think it's important coming from you because you're 71, And you're not a teenager who's just like, these old folks don't respect me. You know? You you're you're 71, and even you you see it.

Mhmm. But you've also worked in high schools for a long time, and I think that's important to mention as well because you have seen you said to me earlier that this is a conversation you would have quite a bit with high school students. Yeah. A lot because That's not good. No.

But my students would come into the classroom assuming I was the enemy and assuming they would be disrespected because most of them had been disrespected for the majority of their school career. Yeah. And I find that appalling. I agree. I think I said to you this said this to you in our conversation, but I'll say it to the audience.

I also worked at Job Corps for a little while. And when I worked at Job Corps, that was something that I saw quite a bit when I first came on to the dorm. I became a dorm supervisor eventually. But when I first came on to the dorm, I was just a, you know, dorm associate, and I forgot what our title was back then. But one of the issues was that when I came on, there was this one employee that got so jealous and mad at me because the students immediately respected me.

And I wasn't doing anything special, but what I was doing different than her and a few others is I was just treating them with respect. Mhmm. It didn't occur to me to not treat them with respect. I just I I don't think that way. I don't operate that way.

And I think if we want anyone to respect us regardless of age, we need to respect them too, or at least try to come from a place of understanding. So let me ask you this, Susan. What do you see as a problem, between teens and those who are 50, the generations who are 50? I want to phrase this diplomatically. Oh, just say it.

This is my show. You can say what you want. Okay. You weren't born yet, but my generation was, some of us were violent, destructive, angry, and said the same things. They don't respect us.

我在電視上看到了這一切，心想，你怎麼會尊重一個如此憤怒的人？所以，顯然，他們憎恨老一輩，說過「不要相信任何30歲以上的人」之類的話。那段時間我們國家很艱難。暗殺頻傳，騷亂頻傳。而我，一方面，我完全同意情況必須改變。

Things got to change, but you don't achieve change usually through violence and disrespect. So this to see my generation disrespect a younger generation, to me, first of all, it seems really hypocritical. Mhmm. I mean, we were there. We were on the other side of that fence.

And now I just set I I still think. I've always thought. If nothing else, you respect the humanity in somebody else. We're all humans. We're all just trying to figure out our way, and you show respect just for their humanity.

It doesn't you don't have to like them. My students were always surprised when I said, you don't have to like me, but you do have to respect me. And that was really the only rule we ever had. And I would say it, I respect you Right. And I expect that in return just because we're all human.

And having worked with teens a lot myself, I will say that is the one thing that that's the one statement that we can make as adults, whether you're a school, whether you work at a community center, no matter what capacity you're working in and you work with youth. When you make statements like that that say, I respect you. I I expect some respect back. As long as you actually give that respect Mhmm. They will usually give it back to you.

That has been my experience. Yes. They respect that statement when you are you have actually shown them respect. They will respect that statement. They will shut up.

他們會冷靜下來，這是讓他們合作的最佳方法。絕對有效。只要這麼說就好。完全同意。我的學生剛來的時候，把我當成了敵人。

And shortly after a month or two, they saw me as their ally, somebody who would stand up and defend them if necessary. And that is huge. Huge. Yep. And so, there's so many there's so many different things I wanna talk about this conversation, but we don't have sixteen days for the episode.

So, I wanted to add, when when it comes to seeing a problem between the teens and the generations, let's talk about this statement that people say all the time. Back in my day y'all can't see it, but she's shaking her head right now. She's like, oh my god. Uh-huh. Do statements like what do statements like back in my day when I was young, what do those statements do?

They hurt, and they cause division. And God knows we don't need more division in the world. Yeah. I I see my fellow elders remembering things not exactly the way they were. Can you repeat that, please?

I see a lot of my fellow elders not remembering things exactly the way they were. It's kinda like, to give an analogy, remembering rotten yogurt as rainbows and sunshine and cupcakes. Yeah. Yeah. Yummy.

You're you're % right. And I I think that people tend to do that, not just your generation. I think people tend to do that quite a bit. Remember remembering things much fluffier than they actually Absolutely. And then trying to compare.

Our generation was when I was, 15, 16 to 25. We were supposed to be we said we would be the generation that would change things for the better. Now look at the mess we're in. This is another mic drop from Susan Patterson. You're exactly exactly right, and I say this all the time.

I've said this on public interviews. We get mad at this generation for being the way they were, but they were handed a world, and they're just trying to deal with it. Handed We handed them a pile of crap and a bowl and said, here. Make some cake with that. Yep.

That's what we did. And then we get mad at them for trying to figure out life while they're in this whirlwind of confusion that we've handed to them. Mhmm. Mhmm. You know?

你說得對。你們那一代人並不比我們這一代好。有些事情以前不存在問題，現在卻成了問題。這的確沒錯。但這不是全部。

Mm-mm. And they weren't perfect either. And the thing is, you know, when when you give these, like you said, they hurt the back of my day conversation, immediately, a wall goes up, the garage door shuts, ain't nobody listening to nothing else you got to say when you say that. Mhmm. And the reason why I have an issue with that conversation with that statement is because where I am twenty plus years younger than you.

Oh, oops. I just gave away my age a little bit. I wasn't specific. I'm still 22 y'all. No.

That's what I try to pretend. No. But, really, I, you know, I come from another generation. I grew up in the eighties. And, so we're a different generation.

Even my generation didn't grow up anything like No. What the kids are growing up with today. They have to deal with stuff that we did not have to deal with. They have advantages that we didn't have, like the Internet and cell phones. Mostly the advantages are technology.

Mhmm. And some of the advantages that, yes, we advanced that we're more inclusive, whereas a black woman, I feel a little bit more freewear and they haven't arrived yet, but I'm definitely better than the generation before me as far as what's available for me and and what's, you know, etcetera. There's some things that are better. But what's worse, we didn't have to grow up worrying about school shootings. That is right.

Worrying about being shot, not just in school, but in a freaking mall or at a park, and somebody just going and losing their mind and deciding everybody needs to die. We didn't grow up like that. Nope. We didn't grow up in in a you know, we didn't grow up in a world where you got what I I call January 6 monkey storm. You got a bunch of monkeys climbing a wall at the White House.

Even even in Vietnam, y'all had protests, but nobody went that far. That's true. They're growing up in in a world that, you know, we didn't they have to deal with things that we didn't have to, and I think that we need to listen to them and appreciate what they're saying. They're not just a bunch of stupid kids. Yes.

They're young. They're growing. They're immature. There's things that they're they're thinking and doing because they're kids. Of course.

但這不是全部。這可能只是一半。另一半，我們真的需要認真傾聽。我認為這一代人與前幾代人最大的不同之一就是社群媒體。它不是。

我們總是這麼說，但這並非小事。如果你在學校被欺負過，我知道你肯定聽過這種說法，但這確實是真的。如果你在學校被欺負過，你不用再經歷這種事，除非你當時正在打電話，而你的手機還掛在牆上，你和朋友們聊的就是這個。你明白我的意思嗎？或者你在午餐時間看到了什麼人。

That was bad enough. That was bad. Mhmm. But now it's twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, and it's driving kids to end their life. It is.

It really is. And that's not acceptable. No. It's not okay. And and it's also okay.

When we were younger, we had magazines and television to tell us what we should look like and what's acceptable and what's not, and it was all a bunch of crap. But we had that. They have it doubled now because there are no limits. We have the Internet. No limits.

Everything is out there every and it's confusing. It's very confusing. Mhmm. They're growing up with a lot more confusion than we did, actually. And so you take all of those factors, and then you wanna compare it to your 1962 growing up.

It's not the same. It's not the same. You're not there. You grew up on Earth. These kids are growing up on Mars with spacesuits.

They are not growing up on the same planet that we grew up on that we grew up with, and it's important to know that you can it's like comparing a parakeet to an apple. Yes. It is. They are both creations, but that's where it ends. Well You know?

I don't understand is maybe may well, no. I started to say maybe because I was a teacher. I I think my generation should model good behavior and respect and decency and listening. Mhmm. Because how are they gonna learn it if they don't learn it from their parents and grandparents?

是的。我認為祖父母和孫輩是天然的盟友。但如果你一開始就說，回到我那個年代，他們就會把你拒之門外。你會立刻斷絕聯繫。那麼，我們為什麼不能為他們樹立這種尊重彼此人性的榜樣呢？

Mhmm. And actions speak louder than words. They take care. Agree. Now I wanna dial back to the statement you just made about being respectful.

Let's talk about the peep the the people of your generation that actually are that because there's there's there's a lot of, you know, elderly out there who are they're they're modeling, you know, decent morals and behavior and treating humans decently. Many of them, I believe, in your generation are full of wisdom because the older you get, the more likely, if you choose, and it is a choice, the more likely you are to have greater wisdom because you've you've had more experiences. You've had more opportunity to learn, more opportunity to understand, and there's certain things about life that your some of your generation gets, and you're right about. Mhmm. My issue is that our younger generation mostly doesn't see that.

True. They see you as old people that are annoying and need to get out their face instead of seeing you as valuable, you know, buckets of wisdom. Mhmm. I personally and I felt I have been this way since I was a child. Sit me down with what I used to sit me down with a senior citizen, and I'm happy.

I'm talking your ear off or mostly, I'm usually listening. I love to sit down and talk to to people who are older and not from my generation because I feel like they always have something I always have something to learn from them. And but I'm that type of person. I like to learn from people. I like to listen to people.

That's who I am. So for me, I love sitting down and talking to senior citizens because I feel like I'm I'm gonna learn something from this person. Mhmm. Even if they start talking crazy and they start talking about racism and their head's still back in 1952, peep there's people like that because, hey, that's what they grew up with. Mhmm.

I can usually for me personally, I can listen past that and still get the gems. Just because you have a bucket full of Sam, I know sand. I know there's some gems in there someone dig for them. What are you talking about? Yeah.

你知道嗎？我想確保我們也能看到這一點，當我們談論這些老年人時，他們不應該再對年輕一代如此不尊重，因為我認為指出平衡點很重要，雙方都需要開始互相尊重。是的。或至少要進行這樣的對話。如果你是個青少年，試著找個和你祖母或祖父同齡，甚至更老的人聊聊，在我那個年代，他們不會主動開口說話。即使他們主動開口，你也要看看能不能從他們的話中找出一些精髓。因為我向你保證，如果你開始尊重地傾聽他們中的大多數人，如果你開始尊重地傾聽他們，他們中的許多人，而且我已經看到這種情況發生，他們就會開始稍微改變自己的態度。

Mhmm. Mhmm. So I think there's the respect needs to be mutual from both ends. Yeah. Yeah.

我也是這麼想的。蘇珊，你覺得這個問題有解決方法嗎？有很多辦法，我就舉一個吧。我很幸運，我的祖父母不會對我說教，而是講故事。

故事裡講的就是你講的那些智慧。有些我直到長大後才明白，但確實在故事裡。我覺得你應該開始……長輩們應該從小就表現出尊重，無論他們談話的對像是多大年紀。別給人留下你只能這樣做的印象。這樣才有效。

你需要集中註意力。講個故事。講講你的一段經歷，嗯。以及它是如何影響你的，如何改變你的。並且保持開放的心態。

做你自己，善待他人。善良、同情和尊重會對你大有好處。也許，只是也許。我告訴我的孫子們，他們現在都二十多歲了，而且我一直都這樣告訴他們。我的希望與你們同在。

注意聽。這話確實很有力。我認為你剛才說的，一部分內容，一部分內容，就是努力去理解。嗯，嗯。

If you come across people react differently, not just teenagers, but human beings in general. Mhmm. When you come across to them as I'm trying to understand you first versus I'm trying to I'm trying to preach at you, trying to tell you off, trying to curse you out, whatever. When you come across those negative ways first, ain't nobody listening to you. I'm sorry, but you just we already shut the door.

還有換頻道。這樣說更好。我們已經換頻道了。你還在嘗試廣播。嗯。

Try to understand if we come at our youth with, I genuinely like, I'm not from your generation. I don't get this. Help me understand. Like, you could literally say that. And most of them, if you come if you're genuine about it Mhmm.

They'll start talking to you. I'm like, well, it's weird. It's like you go online and, and they'll try to explain it to you. I mean, at least they're trying. And if you they're trying, then you you begin a dialogue.

You can go go somewhere with that. You know? And and even if you don't understand, try to understand because they're not growing up with what you grew up with. And it's so important that we understand that you cannot come up with a solution for this generation if you don't even understand them. That's true.

And that's one of the reasons I'm having this podcast because too many adults who are creating programs, who are creating legislature, who are creating all this stuff for for our youth are completely disconnected from where they actually are. That's right. And you cannot solve a problem when you don't you cannot solve a problem you don't understand. That's right. And many of them want solutions, but they want solutions from people who understand, not who just gonna preach at them.

And I think you said that so well, Susan. You don't preach at them. Yeah. That's the worst thing. Think about it.

How do any of us feel when somebody preaches at us? We tune out. Yep. Now if you get a little preachy in your story and your grandma, we might tune you out, but we also might pay attention. Yeah.

You know, this is a little bit different. But, but, yeah, I think showing that respect and, you know, is is huge. Now there are some youth who are completely respect disrespectful because their parents didn't raise them to be respectful. And that and that is also a problem, and that is, you know, an issue with some youth, and that is a that is a problem that needs to be corrected. And there are youth who need to be respectful instead of just coming off and talking to anybody any kind of way.

Again, it needs to come from both sides. It absolutely needs to come from both sides. Totally. What would you say to you know, if you're gonna general, summarize it into a sentence or a couple phrases, what would you say first to teenagers listening? And then I want you to say something to the adults listening.

To the teenagers listening, I would say, don't give up hope. Learn what you can from your elders and build a new world. Amen. Completely agree. And to the elders, I would say, remember what a jerk you could be when you were 14.

That's where the kids are at, and they've grown up in a lot of chaos. Yeah. Be patient, kind, compassionate, and love these kids because attitude always is the result of pain. That was very deep and very true. And, again, I guess Susan just knows how to drop mics all day.

That was that was that was really a powerful statement. I don't think I need to add to it because I think you said it all. Thank you, Susan, so much for coming on. Thank you, Susan. I'm glad we had this conversation.

我希望人們，無論老少，都能傾聽彼此的心聲，並開始逐漸尊重和傾聽彼此，因為這兩個年齡段的人都有一些強有力的見解。如今，我從我的青年時代聽到的智慧比我年輕時從同齡人那裡聽到的要多得多。我認為這意義重大。絕對是如此。不要因為他們是孩子就忽視他們，不要輕視他們。

Yeah. Some of them have greater understanding than you. And to my youth, don't dismiss old folks because they grew up in another generation. They might still have a lot of wisdom that you could learn from because the principles of life don't change. Technology has changed a lot, but the principles of life haven't.

So there's some wisdom, you know, in what they have to say. And for those of you that are offended, sorry. I said old folks, but I was talking to the young people when I said it. And and that's what they say. Alright?

再次感謝蘇珊今天的到來。我非常非常感激你，期待再次與你交談。謝謝你，法蒂瑪。我很高興、很高興、也很感激能來到這裡。現在，讓我們進入一個轉換思路的時刻。

No matter what generation you're from, no matter how old you are, I want you to think about the value of another generation. Older, younger, whatever generation is different than yours. What value can they add to your life? And if you don't know the answer, it's time for you to find out. Because I promise you, if you make an effort, they can add to your life.

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