00：07.59

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

And welcome every everyone. Today we have with us Coach Carmen Duncan. She is out of Schenectady, New York. She's the founder of Mission Accomplished Transitional Services. She is multi-award winning. And we are talking today because November is Runaway Homeless Youth Month. So I thought it was an appropriate time to have this conversation. And boy, does she have a story to tell. If you're not inspired by the end of this conversation, then there's something wrong with you. All right, Coach Carmen, how you doing?

00:37.51

Coach Carmen

I'm doing fabulous today. Thank you for asking. How are you?

00:43.05

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

我很好。我真的很期待這次談話。所以我想直接開始。你是怎麼無家可歸的？

00:53.61

Coach Carmen

Unfortunately, my my dad was sentenced to several years in prison, which ah led to some contention between my siblings and my step-family, which led to me being disconnected from my step-family, which left me in the city of Albany, New York by myself as a as a teenager. So while my step-family was here, um because of the contention, I did not feel comfortable

01:35.30

Coach Carmen

向他們伸出援手。而且我和當時住在這裡的姐姐關係也不太好。所以，高中時期我就輾轉於各個房子之間，直到我找到一個家。

01：56.41

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

當時你多大了？

01：58.95

Coach Carmen

我當時17歲，大概16、17歲。

02:06.94

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

青少年時期的處境確實很難熬。我知道現在還有很多青少年跟你一樣。他們只是不願意讓別人知道，因為很難開口。

02:18.38

Coach Carmen

Yep.

02:19.81

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

And how did you get out of homelessness?

02：23.97

Coach Carmen

Well, I was fortunate enough to have a friend and a friend's mom ah who allowed me to stay with them in their home, although they did not know me for a very long time.

02:40.76

Coach Carmen

Uh, so I, I call her TT, TT Randella or TT Della. Um, so she is definitely an auntie to me now and from then until, until now. So she, we only knew each other for about six months, my friend, Sarita and I, um, and her mom.

03:03.81

Coach Carmen

just she took she took me in she was able to recognize that there was something that was going on and she had been a foster mom before so she had that intuitive sense um and so i stayed with them for i believe about a year maybe it was six months but that was so long ago but you know stayed with them for for some time and during that time i was connected to

03:14.96

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Mmm.

03：32.88

Coach Carmen

a guidance counselor at Albany High School who was my best friend's guidance counselor. Her name is Ms. Baker who connected me with one of the counselors at the school who ultimately ended up sharing the opportunity to apply for the independent living program through a local community-based organization. And that right that independent living program allowed for or provided housing for youth in a runaway homeless system and what they did was pay for our rent and our utilities and we had to take care of our food and our our personal care items, our clothes, but they made sure that that we had a a safe place to live.

04：28.02

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

That's awesome. So what I'm hearing is that you had several people, not just one who who stepped in and did, each of them did something.

04:38.14

Coach Carmen

Yes, yeah.

04:38.54

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

並不是只有一個人從天上掉下來並成為你的救世主。

04:42.83

Coach Carmen

Mm-hmm.

04:42.94

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

It was people who recognized, um, we recognize something and said, okay, what can, what can I do to help?

04:47.21

Coach Carmen

Yep.

04:50.22

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

我認為在生活中我們常常認為我們必須做所有的事情或必須知道所有的答案，但事實並非如此，我們只需要做點什麼。

04:55.27

Coach Carmen

Yep.

04:58.23

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

很多事情都幫了你。我想回到你剛開始無家可歸的時候。我覺得有必要談談那段經歷，讓人們知道，在那段時間裡，你當時在想什麼？你當時只想著，我該怎麼辦？然後你開始挨家挨戶地搬家。

05:22.72

Coach Carmen

我不記得了。我是說，是的，我不記得了。我知道，雖然那是我人生中非常艱難的時期，但我很感激我擁有

05:41.19

Coach Carmen

a mom who showed me what it meant to be resilient, a grandmother who showed me what it meant to be to be resilient.

05:46.69

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Hmm.

05:50.48

Coach Carmen

ah So you know that was ingrained in me. And you know the the adults in our life don't realize that they're that they're planting seeds when they are showing up for themselves and for you, um especially during times of survival.

06:08.25

Coach Carmen

所以我相信，因為我親眼目睹了我的媽媽在經歷磨難和考驗後成功了，所以我很自然地就產生了韌性，你知道，不畢業和不上學不是一種選擇。

06:31.09

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

yes i was going ask you but

06:31.40

Coach Carmen

Two, um you know i I utilize my resources three i was wherever I could be until I felt like you know my my I was there for too too long I had overstayed my welcome so I will go to the next house um and then four I just I learned how to still look the part so people didn't know what was going on and some of that look in the part was

06:56.69

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Yes, I was gonna ask you about that. Mm hmm.

07:04.73

Coach Carmen

towards my mom too because my mom didn't live up here so she would come and she would visit and and it was like I'm working and you know I i still got the clothes and stuff you know I'm not showing that I'm super down or anything when she came up because I understood that if I moved back home with her my life was going to go a complete different direction because I moved up here with my father because I was ah getting very heavily involved in in street violence. And um the last situation was could have been a very a life or death situation. And even to this day, um you you know for the people who are who are listening, you might hear in my voice that I'm downplaying it. But I was in a volatile situation. I was moving towards a very volatile relationship with friends in the streets. So i was I was smart enough to understand if I go back home, I know what direction I'm going to go. So I'd rather weather the streets here where people don't really know me and and just and figure it out. And that's what I did.

08:28.05

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

我覺得你十幾歲就能意識到這一點真是太棒了。嗯，因為那段日子很難熬。而且我覺得你剛才有力地證明了你見證了周遭人的堅韌。嗯，就你的情況來說，就是你的母親。我想你說的是你的祖母。

08:45.81

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

你知道，對某些人來說，如果他們沒有親戚，那可能是街上的某個人，但觀察你周圍的成年人和成年人，如果你在聽，你現在做的好壞真的很重要，所以這是一個重要的聲明，現在我想讓你告訴我們，現在我提到你是

09:08.63

Coach Carmen

Mmhmm. Mmhmm.

09:13.12

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

你是 Mission Accomplished Transition Services 的創辦人。我們現在討論的這個，跟你創辦 Mission Accomplished 有什麼關係？

09:25.96

Coach Carmen

Well, all those people that I mentioned, they weren't biologically attached to me, but they had and an affinity to me as a human and a commitment to me as a young person and wanting to see me be safe and graduate from high school. So those coaches, mentors, sponsors um who showed up for me helped me navigate a very challenging time

10:03.79

Coach Carmen

of my life in a way that led to me being in safe housing, being able to secure my my job, and being able to prepare to move on to college. So if those individuals were not there for me, where would I have been? So as a result,

10：26.65

Coach Carmen

I made the decision to start Mission of Accomplish Transition Services to provide the same services that individuals provided to me. And I also was a big sister through Big Brothers Big Sisters, which is a mentoring organization. And I was able to see that there are a lot of young people who who need who need that support, regardless of what your social economic background is, right? Because a lot of times,

10:56.73

Coach Carmen

人們認為最需要指導或輔導的人往往是那些來自弱勢背景的人。但你會聽到所有人，甚至包括美國總統。我相信你一定問過他們，在你人生最關鍵的時期，也就是大學和職業生涯的過渡期，誰對你幫助最大？

11:27.76

Coach Carmen

And in addition to their parents, they're going to mention teachers and coaches and you know just other adult supports that were around who believed in them and challenged them, supported them, was their cheerleader. And all of us, when we have that network of support who value us as human beings and value the goals that we have in our life so much so that they are willing to dedicate time in their very fulfilling schedules to help you figure out how to get to that next place is how we get to that next place.

12時09分54秒

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Mm-hmm. I want to point out something to the audience right now if you're listening to what coach Carmen is saying She got all of that assistance. She got really great support from people around her and they weren't quote-unquote family and I'm constantly telling people some of the best people around you or some some of the best family aren't not necessarily blood related and There are people who care about you who will support you and they don't care where you came from

12:33.28

Coach Carmen

Mhm.

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Coach Carmen

Mhm.

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Fatima Bey The MindShifter

And they just want to help you to get to where you should be.

12:40.92

Coach Carmen

Mhm.

12:40.64

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

There are a lot of us out there like that.

12:42.73

Coach Carmen

Mhm.

12:42.73

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

But the other part I want to point out, if you were listening, and you especially if you're young and you're listening, she didn't just sit there and expect them to carry her anywhere.

12：44.38

Coach Carmen

Mhm.

12:51.28

Coach Carmen

Mhm.

12:53.12

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

她接受了他們的幫助，但也盡了自己的一份心力。她有決心。她說：「無論情況如何，我都要完成學業。」她沒有袖手旁觀。

13:04.36

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

I'm sure she cried a lot. but ah She didn't just sit there and cry and pout and do nothing and say, well, somebody's got to help me and expect someone else to carry you.

13:10.64

Coach Carmen

and

13:14.59

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

No one's going to carry you in a wagon. We'll grab your hands and walk with you, but you still have to walk too. I just wanted to point that out.

13:21.27

Coach Carmen

是的，這是一個關鍵點。這是一個關鍵點，因為在我作為導師、教練和贊助商的經驗中，對於那些可能不知道這三者之間區別的人來說，

13:37.82

Coach Carmen

導師是提供更廣泛支持的人。他們在你個人或職業方面為你提供幫助。無論你需要什麼，他們都會給予指導。教練則非常注重結果。

13：58.92

Coach Carmen

You establish a goal, you have action steps, and their commitment to you is to ensure that you meet your, that you that you achieve your goal by the specific timeframe that you have set for yourself while assisting you with developing that level of confidence in order to achieve that goal. And a sponsor is someone who has a level of influence and they also have resources that they are able to share with you in order to get you closer to the goal that you have for yourself. So a sponsor is someone who may have influence on an application process for a fellowship. So they provide you with the information for the fellowship and they are willing to verbally promote you

14:56.21

Coach Carmen

and to the to the committee that reviews all of the the applications, which means that you're more likely to get into that fellowship. So it is incredibly important that we show up as as that for our for our young people and and for our peers.

15:23.13

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Yes.

15:25.04

Coach Carmen

but we can only do for them what they are willing to do for themselves. I have found myself in positions where I am working harder for people than they are willing to work for themselves. And that can lead to a level of discouragement and resentment towards that individual.

15:50.00

Coach Carmen

because you're because you you just want to shake them. like Don't you see the potential in yourself?

15:54.42

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Yeah.

15：56.01

Coach Carmen

你知道，他們沒有履行自己設定的期望，也沒有履行大家共同設定的期望。你可能會因為試圖幫助別人而精疲力盡。

16：10.65

Coach Carmen

It doesn't mean that you go ghost on them. It doesn't mean that you end a relationship. But what it does mean is that you are not showing up for them 100% when they're showing up for themselves 50%.

16:24.71

Coach Carmen

So you you have to, you have it's important to teach people how to treat you too.

16:24.73

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Right.

16:30.99

Coach Carmen

因為當你擁有資源時，這些資源可能是資訊、金錢、影響力，無論它是什麼，你都有影響力。我的意思是，你有資源，你也是人。

16:44.98

Coach Carmen

And you want to know that you matter too. And you need to be respected too. And you have to establish that expectation for whomever, regardless of what of what their age is, because then they'll take advantage of your kindness. And sometimes you don't even realize it before it's too late.

17:05.03

Coach Carmen

So I definitely um agree with what Fatima said, where it's like you show up, but you don't overextend yourself.

17:19.58

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

very important and thank you for that breakdown of the difference between mentor and coaching and sponsorship because sometimes um that those concepts are misunderstood and the wrong words are used and then what that word means to you does is not what i think it means and it just causes confusion i think sometimes and people are well intended with it but don't always understand that there are differences and and you don't

17:38.23

Coach Carmen

嗯，是的，關於贊助商，我想說的另一件事是，他們就像汽車一樣，就像你的司機一樣，他們開車送你去所有的機會，然後把你送下車，讓你繼續做你的事，因為他們已經和別人談過了

17:58.33

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

What's a good analogy?

18:01.11

Coach Carmen

about the value that you bring, but now it's your responsibility to so so secure the the opportunity.

18:10.80

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Yes. Yes. And there is a big difference. I mentioned that because I think in today's society we have a couple of different sets of people. Most people fall into these two different categories.

18：22.56

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Right now we're talking about youth, but it it this principle extends beyond just teenagers.

18：27.20

Coach Carmen

Hmm.

18：27.64

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

有一群人給我的戰利品抹上粉，帶我到處走，或者背著我到處走，而我只是躺著什麼也不做，他們為所有事情找藉口，而不是為任何事情找解決方案，然後你會看到有些人就像我不知道該做什麼一樣。

18:46.18

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

I don't know if I can be helped. And those are the people you want to help the most, because those are the ones that usually, if you give them, if you take them to the opportunity, they'll do something with it. They just don't know how.

18:57.51

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

And those are the people that I focus on.

18：59.74

Coach Carmen

Mm-hmm.

18：59.64

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

i'm you know and And I think it's important to point that out that you know we are here for you. We are absolutely here for you. But you've got to be there for you, too. And if you're not there for you, I'm not going to do it for you.

19:09.31

Coach Carmen

Yeah.

19：13.02

Coach Carmen

Yeah.

19：13.26

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

um

19:14.51

Coach Carmen

對於那些人，就像您談到的第一組人一樣，對於那些承認並推廣他們作為導師、贊助商和教練的人來說，了解有時像人一樣，啊，人會有真正的創傷，這也是很重要的。

19:14.83

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

yeah

19：34.89

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Yeah. Yeah.

19:37.55

Coach Carmen

You know, people are working walking away around with some real trauma and people make themselves look real good, right?

19:40.81

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Mm-hmm.

19：46.93

Coach Carmen

Because we live in a society where you have to be confident all the time.

19：47.47

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Right.

19:53.97

Coach Carmen

你需要一直保持微笑。就像每次我們問別人“你好嗎？”時，對方都會立即回應：“你好嗎？”

20:02.50

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

確切地。

20:02.82

Coach Carmen

you know like there's the and they could have just ah had they could be having the most horrible day um but the immediate response is good because we're taught that we always have to show face so i when it comes to the the first group of individuals that you described i believe that it is important while not getting too clinical it's important to ask someone who's showing some apathy in their life what

20:05.83

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Mm hmm.

20:32.41

Coach Carmen

trauma have you had that holds you back from showing up for yourself? Like what what story did somebody tell you?

20:44.76

Coach Carmen

因為有時人們在生活中會遇到一些人，他們會告訴他們不夠好。

20:44.63

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Hmm.

20:53.32

Coach Carmen

所以他們就接受了。然後像我或像你這樣的人進來了，我們會覺得，你太厲害了，什麼都能做，對吧？

20:54.90

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Yeah.

20:58.75

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Hmm. Yeah.

21:03.36

Coach Carmen

and But they've been getting messaging from some of the closest people in their life that they that they're not gonna amount to anything. you know, they're they're not beautiful, they're not smart enough, whatever it may be.

21:16.38

Coach Carmen

We just never know what people are carrying.

21:16.54

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Mmhmm. Mmhmm.

21:21.87

Coach Carmen

And so it's important to ask that question as well. That doesn't mean you give a pass, but it helps to have a level of understanding why they're not showing up for themselves. And some people will share with you and other people won't.

21:34.79

Coach Carmen

ah But I mean, I reached out to a to a family member after I got into the independent living program. And when I got on the phone with that person, they said, I thought you would be barefoot and pregnant.

21：50.14

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Wow.

21:51.88

Coach Carmen

Yeah, they did.

21:52.05

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

it Really share that to you?

21：54.43

Coach Carmen

I thought you would be barefoot and pregnant. And it's like, wow. So you do you haven't come to the school to see if I'm I ate or nothing. yeah You know, but I call you to let you know that I'm okay even though you're the adult in this situation.

22:04.56

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Yeah.

22:11.33

Coach Carmen

And one of the first things you say to me is that I thought that you would be barefoot and pregnant.

22:17.47

Coach Carmen

And I carry that with me um since the day that that person said that to me. And it's a fuel It fuels me, right?

22：28.29

Coach Carmen

因為這是一個人對我所想的事情，而我不是那樣的。

22：32.67

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

哦，你絕對不是那樣的。你知道嗎，我想向觀眾指出一點。你曾經無家可歸，然後得到了一些幫助。所以你參加了一個獨立生活項目，這真是太棒了。你後來在學術方面還有什麼進展？

22:58.20

Coach Carmen

I have a bachelor's of science in psychology, and I also have a master's in social work with a concentration on a macro, which is management, administration, community development, or organizing, um resource development, and organizational development.

23:26.87

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

哇，你真棒。因為我也記得這個縮寫的意思。

23:33.11

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

But the reason I wanted to point that out to the audience is I want to point out the fact that you, you were homeless as a 16, 17 year old, which is fricking scary for anybody.

23:43.65

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

I don't care who you are.

23:44.40

Coach Carmen

okay

23:46.76

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

You were in a situation, but you didn't stay there. You went on to accomplish things and If you were listening right now, I don't care how old you are. We're talking about teens, but you adults know that some of this applies to you too. No matter where you are in life, you don't have to stay there. You know, it it doesn't have to be where you stay. your Your current situation can be a current situation, but it's your job to make it part of your past. And there are those of us who are, would absolutely love to help you.

24：24.38

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

超越、超過和勝過等等。但是，如果您今天做出選擇，那麼您曾經所在的地方不一定是您現在所在的地方，也不一定是您要停留的地方或您要去的地方。

24:32.85

Coach Carmen

Yeah. And I would also say to the teens out there, or the ah I would say to the teens as well as the adults who how who have had some unfavorable experiences in their life due to their parents' inability to be able to do certain things.

24:34.60

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

miss

24:58.26

Coach Carmen

Understand that your parents did the best they could with what they had.

25：03.33

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Yeah.

25:04.08

Coach Carmen

and it's taken me a long time to get here today. But you know i have I have some badass parents. like When I really sit back and I think about what my parents have have been through while also showing me what it means to be happy in life and do what you wanna do, I have some badass parents.

25：34.33

Coach Carmen

um You know, my mom, she worked full time while having a business throughout my childhood.

25:43.63

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

That's

25:45.50

Coach Carmen

她還會帶我去打掃別人的房子。

25：46.77

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

a lot.

25：49.13

Coach Carmen

So she had a residential cleaning business. And she would take me to clean people's house take me with her to clean people's houses when I was when i was um when i was in my teenage years.

26:04.81

Coach Carmen

And then, and then she ended up, and then she ended up, you know, moving, she continued the business and now she just does commercial, commercial cleaning.

26:04.58

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

很抱歉，請繼續。

26:15.33

Coach Carmen

But what that showed me is the type of house that I could have.

26:18.78

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Hmm.

26:20.47

Coach Carmen

What that showed me is a type of services, support services that I could purchase someday.

26:23.30

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Hmm.

26:27.40

Coach Carmen

嗯，然後是跟我父親。我爸爸一生都在與毒癮奮鬥。你知道，我爸爸是個騙子。他會用他的車賣CD。他會賣運動服。嗯，爸爸賣毒品。你知道，但那件事讓我明白，我可以賣任何我想賣的東西。

26：57.37

Coach Carmen

You know, um so and and make a living, make a living out of it. And while he did the the hustling, you know, there were times where he was, you know, he was working for, um in between time, he would be working for human service agencies and helping people who were struggling with substance abuse or in a homeless situation. He's a giver. My dad's a giver and he wants to see people, he wants to see people do well.

27:26.51

Coach Carmen

So I am my parents like even though things did not go that the the traditional way for me as a teenager and I experienced a very challenging time and in it in a led to feelings of abandonment and resentment and and anxiety and paranoia and you know all of those things because I had to take care of myself at such a young age. I didn't get to be a teenager really.

27：57.18

Coach Carmen

right But at the same time, um my parents showed me that you can create your life and you can make money doing what you, you can make money by doing what you want to do, but you do have to present yourself appropriately for you to be able to get clients and and what have you.

27：57.25

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

yeah

28:20.28

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Yeah. Right.

28:22.73

Coach Carmen

所以，他們向我展示了創業精神，而我可能自己都沒意識到。而且他們倆都非常非常有韌性。你知道，他們經歷過人生中的一些非常艱難的時刻，但他們仍然堅強地活著。所以我很感激我有這樣的父母。

28：50.30

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

很好，沒有多少人，嗯，有些人能說出類似的話，但也有很多人不能，嗯，但我總是喜歡對你們這些正在聽的人來說，你們生活中有人向你們展示一些東西，如果他們不是你的父母，那也沒關係，可能是叔叔、阿姨、祖母，街上的某個人，教堂裡的某個人，清真寺裡的某個人，無論如何

28:56.42

Coach Carmen

Hmm.

29:06.71

Coach Carmen

是的。是的。是的

29:20.25

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

good and bad, you know, because no one's perfect. So we're going to learn good and bad from everyone if we want to. But speaking of entrepreneurship, tell us about Mission Accomplish and what is it that you do?

29:32.33

Coach Carmen

who

29：36.57

Coach Carmen

使命完成過渡服務是一個職業、非營利的商業教育組織，面向時尚、美容、建築、室內裝飾和壁畫行業的 35 歲以下青少年和年輕專業人士。

29：57.69

Coach Carmen

ah We have two signature programs. We have our team our teen internship program where students get paid to to learn about the business behind behind the industries and explore the variety of careers that are available to them within within the industries. And then we have our adult program for individuals between the ages of 18 to 35 who have four or more years experience in the industries And they are looking for assistance with developing programs and elevating their their brand so that they are able to ah share their expertise and talents and and get paid for it. So our advanced institutes are perfect for individuals who are who are very passionate about teaching people

30:58.33

Coach Carmen

他們了解各自行業內的某些事情，但他們需要一些幫助來建立和包裝項目，以便能夠銷售。然後，他們也需要定位自己，成為各自行業內受人追捧的領域專家和成熟領導者。

31:25.33

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

I can tell you guys, audience listening, I have personally watched Coach Carmen in front of high school classrooms and she's really good with teens. I have her on here not just because she was a homeless teen, but she works really well with teens too. um If you are in the the capital region, I um strongly advise that you would reach out to reach out to her and reach out to Mission Accomplish if one of those things ah applies to you or one of your kids or somebody around you.

31:58.88

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

She's very, Mission Accomplish is very, very, very good at what they do and very thorough.

32:03.69

Coach Carmen

Thank you.

32:03.88

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

So I have personally been involved with with them and I've watched um some of the outcomes for some of the students who have come through Mission Accomplish and it's pretty powerful.

32:16.23

Coach Carmen

Thank you.

32:16.43

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

i'm So how can people find you?

32：20.88

Coach Carmen

You can you can find us on Instagram at MISSACC12. That's the number one, the number two. And that's on Instagram and Facebook. And you can find me on LinkedIn. And hopefully the the link could be shared in the in the show notes.

32:43.25

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Mm-hmm.

32:43.89

Coach Carmen

you connect with me on on LinkedIn and and follow and engage with the mission accomplished social media pages.

32:43.66

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

Yep.

32:56.85

Fatima Bey The MindShifter

All right. Well, Coach Carmen, thank you so, so much for coming on today. I really appreciate it. And I hope that all of you listeners got something out of this today.