Fatima Bey: 0:01

歡迎收聽MindShift Power Podcast，這是唯一一個關注青少年的國際播客，匯聚了來自世界各地的年輕人的聲音和觀點。準備好探討當今青少年關注的、塑造未來世界的議題吧。我是主持人Fatima Bey，MindShifter，歡迎大家。今天，我們邀請到了Orlana Dawkins-Drewley。她來自美國賓州匹茲堡。她是Shine Network的首席執行官，也是Shine Awards的創辦人。大家好嗎？

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 0:35

doing today? Orlana, I am doing great. Thank you for the opportunity to be with you today.

Fatima Bey: 0:40

I'm really excited to talk to you about what you're doing, because I believe in it strongly and I think that everyone else will love you too. Thank, you.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 0:46

那麼請告訴我們。什麼是 Shine 獎？ Shine 獎是全國首屈一指的頒獎典禮，旨在表彰世界各地 13 至 24 歲年輕人的積極成就。好的，這些獎項頒給誰？好的，這些獎項頒給誰？再次強調，唯一的要求是他們必須年滿 13 至 24 歲，年輕人可以自我提名或由他人提名，他們可以從九個類別中進行選擇。通常，正如您所知，我們的年輕人多才多藝，所以很多時候，年輕人會在一個或多個類別中獲得提名。哦，好的，您能告訴我們其中幾個類別嗎？是的，我希望我能全部回答出來。但是我們有藝術，當我說藝術時，那可能是視覺藝術，表演藝術。所以藝術、學術、社區服務、服務和事工、創業、青年、團體參與、領導、STEM 和克服障礙。

法蒂瑪先生：1:50

Oh, overcoming obstacles.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 1:51

克服障礙通常是催人淚下的。

法蒂瑪先生：1:56

是的，我想是的。所以這可能是我最感興趣的，因為我認為很多人克服了不被認可的障礙，值得獲得獎勵，而且這也很神奇，無論何時，而這個類別有時並沒有被滿足。

奧拉娜·達金斯·德魯裡：2:11

And we also don't want to seem like you're competing for overcoming obstacles, but when we do get someone, a young person, that shares their story, it is amazing how, at a young age, some of these obstacles, it is amazing how, at a young age, some of these obstacles whether they're physical, environmental, but some of these obstacles that young people are facing at such an early age and are overcoming and being successful at the age that they are. So that's what makes it so. I said it's a tearjerker, but it's also so inspirational and motivational for not only the young people but the adults in the audience.

Fatima Bey: 2:49

確實如此。我想說，有時候我們成年人真的沒有真正意識到，或者說沒有意識到，如今的年輕人經歷了多少我們在早期沒有經歷過的事情。有些事情太多了，你知道我們會想，哦，我13歲的時候就不用面對這些了。有些孩子正在經歷你16歲才遇到的事情。

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 3:09

Exactly. They're not, and that's why I said a lot of times it is such an eye opener for adults because it's like man, like I'm 40. And you've already experienced something that maybe a 40 or 50 year old should experience in your 18. Something that maybe a 40 or 50 year old should experience in your 18. Right, so let me be, and it's also I mean, it's an award show, but there's just these moments of grounding where you're like you know what. Let me stop complaining.

法蒂瑪先生：3:34

Yes, For real, for real. It must be so exciting. It's just exhilarating to hand those awards. It is.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 3:43

It is we were only supposed to do it, my husband and I, we were only supposed to do it one time. We just wanted to prove a point and really our point was just to be proven in our city, Pittsburgh, pennsylvania, that young people are doing great things and they should be recognized and not overlooked. And we were going to move on. And just the impact and the testimonies we received just from the one show from adults and the students, we thought, okay, we'll do it just one more time. And now this is our 16th year. So here we are, but, yes, it is so rewarding and it's that reward that keeps me.

奧拉娜·達金斯·德魯裡：4:21

I mean it's hard. I mean every year, every year you're, you're trying to raise money, you're trying to get all the things, but once you hear the impact it makes, rewarding. We're also glad, too, that they nicknamed it. You know, a lot of times when you have your own business, you come up with your own motto, but we're excited that they gave us one and they consider the Shine Awards the Grammys for teens. So we're like we'll take that. I love that.

Fatima Bey: 4:46

我喜歡這個。我喜歡這個。這真是太美了，你知道嗎？我覺得應該有更多這樣的事，我之所以這麼說，是因為我覺得在這次對話中有必要提及這一點。在青少年方面，我們對獎項的看法往往有好有壞。像你這樣的人，獎勵那些平常得不到認可的人。這理應得到認可。然後，又有人會說，哦，我們週二打個噴嚏就給你獎勵，這毀了。這毀了真正的獎勵，因為現在我們獎勵的是孩子們的“存在感”，但當他們走出去，走向現實世界時，他們不會因為存在而獲得獎勵，我們也沒有為他們做好進入現實世界的準備。但你們認可了他們，我知道你們親眼見證了其中一些人信心的提升。

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 5:30

First of all, so one thing I want to say is that we spell shine with a Y, so it's S-H-Y-N-E and, yes, you're completely right. So, yes, we do award some young people who are used to being awarded I mean, they're excellent, we can't deny them that. But our focus is to find that underdog, like that person who's working but they're not being recognized. So we always, when we're promoting the Shine Awards, we're like, you know, we're not looking for the superstar, like please nominate them, but we want that person that you see, that made a turnaround in their academics, that you see them serving at their church, that you see them doing things in their community.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 6:10

And last year we started intentionally going back to some past honorees and just asking them, you know, to share your experience with the Shine Awards. And every single one of them said it was their first award and it gave them the confidence to try new things. And just one testimony comes to mind One young adult. She was our academic honoree. She said at the time now she said in high school she was making straight A's but in her mind she wasn't worthy enough for college. And we ended up well, she ended up being nominated, she won the academic award and now she's getting her PhD, but she told us, if it wasn't for that experience of being seen and seeing that there's other people like her, she would have never even applied to college or now working to get her PhD.

Fatima Bey: 7:00

哇。我聽到你所做的成果，你認為幫助年輕人建立自信是我們成年人能做的最有力的事情，而這一點很多人並沒有意識到。關鍵不在於給他們物質，不在於給他們所需的知識，而是給予他們超越一切的自信。因為一個不相信自己的人根本不會去嘗試。就像你剛才說的，他們根本不會去嘗試。如果他們不去嘗試，就不可能有任何成功，這並不是因為他們能力不足，而是因為他們不相信自己能夠做到，或不相信自己應該做到。你正在努力幫助年輕人建立自信，我很喜歡你這樣做。我非常熱衷於幫助年輕人建立自信，因為他們今天比我們更迫切地需要它。

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 7:40

You are so right. A lot of times I am asked what are some workplace tips you can give our teens? And I always say at this point in their lives they don't need workplace tips, they need confidence.

Fatima Bey: 7:51

Thank, you Exactly. The workplace tip is be confident.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 7:55

So when you get to work, you do a good job, and that's the thing thing like why are we talking about work like they need confidence to first of all make it through school? Yeah, then they can feel confident to learn, to equip themselves with the tools, the strategies like it needs to build. We're so focused on this workplace mentality um that we're skipping some foundational things like confidence kindness self-worth.

奧拉娜·達金斯·德魯裡：8:23

We're skipping stuff and you're like what are some workplace tips? No, I have some, but let's talk about confidence and self-worth and mindset. Let's talk about that.

Fatima Bey: 8:33

對，因為所有這些職場技巧都會派上用場。沒用的，真的沒用的。這就像教貓如何造火箭，貓根本做不出來。問題是，當我們缺乏自信時，就會顯得無能，雖然事實可能並非如此，因為一些最聰明的人，當他們缺乏自信時，我見過，我親身經歷過，建立自信非常重要。所以，對於正在聆聽的、與年輕人一起工作的成年人來說，因為你們很多人都聽過，如果你和年輕人一起工作，要知道，當你打擊他們時，你不會讓他們發揮出最好的一面，最多只能得到最低的回報。而當你建立了自信，他們會在各方面展現出來，包括工作，但不僅僅是工作。

奧拉娜·達金斯·德魯裡：9:22

我很高興你這麼說，因為即使是我們合作的青少年，他們畢竟是青少年，很多時候，我的意思是，我們忘記了他們才出生16年或18年，時間並不長，但我們期望他們知道很多。但當我們在Shine Awards Foundation與青少年合作時，如果他們做錯了什麼，在指出他們做錯的部分之前，我們會先指出他們做對的部分。

奧拉娜·達金斯·德魯裡：9:46

所以我們很高興你找了她正確的零錢。這真是太好了，不過下次找零的時候，一定要說聲謝謝，我們期待再次見到你。就像你知道的，在讚美的同時，也幫她改正。

法蒂瑪先生：10:06

Not like you didn't even say thank you. You know, yeah, and that's the thing.

Orlana Darkins Drewery：10:08

不只是青少年，當別人這樣來找我們時，我們很難真正傾聽他們想說的話。即使一切都很正確，語氣也很重要。首先是基礎，所以我們會把語氣也加到清單中。你如何與人溝通真的很重要。

法蒂瑪先生：10:23

有時我們必須自我反省，因為我知道我過去常常在與人交往時過於用力，甚至沒有意識到自己這樣做，因為我的個性很強。所以，在某些情況下，這可能會讓人感到害怕，我不得不想，等等。這就是為什麼傾聽回饋如此重要。那麼，你從你的「閃耀網絡」中的一些年輕人那裡得到了什麼樣的回饋呢？

Orlana Darkins Drewery：10:51

是的。所以，正如我去年提到的，我們特意回去問他們這個問題：你們覺得Shine獎怎麼樣？它對你有什麼影響？一位年輕女士，她是獲獎者，在馬裡蘭州克拉克斯堡獲獎。她說她很害羞，所以當她得知自己獲得了Shine獎時，她非常緊張。但她告訴我們，因為贏得Shine獎必須發表30秒的得獎感言。她說她當時就像一團糟，像個廢物，就像「我的天哪」一樣。

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 11:26

Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, but she said the process of writing down her remarks, walking to the podium and reading her remarks. She said that gave her practice. It gave her confidence. She said it was amazing how when I did it, she was like it was 30 seconds, she's like, but it was amazing how when I did it in the sense of accomplishment I had in reading a 30 second speech she's like I just like, I feel like I don't have to be shy anymore, like I can just speak and we're like, oh my gosh, and so for us it's just a part of the show. I never thought how certain features in the show can have a specific impact on young people.

Fatima Bey: 12:11

And that's what I was looking for. I know that you have had an impact. The Shine Awards, the Shine Network, has had an impact on the youth that you have there. I love that specific example because we think of, we tend to think of things sometimes what I call too small, we think things are nothing when they're actually a big deal. And especially if you've never been in front of a crowd before, that's a big deal. That's a that's a big deal, no matter what your age is. That's a big deal.

Fatima Bey: 12:35

And I remember the first time I was on tv I had a um, they did a feature story on me because of my my business sewing wedding gown and it was my first time being on being featured on tv, like it was a feature and I'm like, oh my god.

Fatima Bey: 12:48

So I tried not to be nervous and I and it didn't show, but I actually kind of was, you know, because it's my first time, it was such a big deal and I just remember how I felt and I can only imagine how you know and I've been in front of crowds before, but it was just not that big of a presentation. It is a very big deal. So I love that you are giving them the confidence. And again, I want for the adults out there listening to understand that that is the most important thing you can do, not that you should stop doing the other things you're doing teaching and correcting that needs to be done too but building of the confidence needs to be coupled with it, because if you're not building confidence, you're really just roboting them, and they're not robots, and that always works against them, and whatever works against them works against you, because they're going to be taking care of you when you're old and they don't know how to do nothing because they never had enough confidence to try.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 13:42

I just had a conversation yesterday, as a matter of fact, and we were talking about how parents, aunties, teachers, uncles but we were specifically talking about parents, how parents get into you know, I mean, it's their, it's their baby. They want to fix it, they want to prevent things from happening to them, they don't want them to hurt, so they'll jump in to solve it and not provide the opportunity for it to be a learning experience.

Orlana Darkins Drewery：14:08

當我和青少年交談時，我也會告訴他們，他們也有能力掌控自己的敘事。所以，掌控敘事的重心並不總是落在父母、阿姨和監護人身上。你有能力掌控自己的敘事。例如，與其說“我今晚可以和朋友們一起玩嗎？”，不如說“等我做完作業，可以和朋友們在商場裡玩兩個小時嗎？”，因為這體現了你的責任感。

Orlana Darkins Drewery：14:34

You gave information who your friends are, you gave a time time limit and then this is the crucial part I tell them you have to do what you say, so don't come back two and a half hours later. You said two hours, but this shows the parent, guardian, teacher like, oh, they're responsible, they can make decisions, they can be trusted. So it's a two-. Street. I think sometimes we put a lot of pressure on ourselves as guardians, as teachers and as mentors, and I think we should kind of shed the light on the young person too. Like you play a role in this, you play a role in how all this works out at the house or at school. So you control your narrative too.

Fatima Bey: 15:17

And I love that you're teaching them that and that's so important. And if we approach youth in a way that's respectful to them, they will usually listen to us, no matter what you look like, no matter what your race is, no matter how old you are. Those things can play into how they receive you too, but they fall into the background with how you treat them. When you treat them with respect, they're more inclined to hear what you have to say, because I hear adults. They have great things to say and they're totally right about what they're saying, but they're totally wrong in their approach and that's why they get it.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 15:48

I'm sorry, did I cut you off? No, go ahead, which. I just want to co-sign what you're saying. And this happened to me Now, this was last year, but it was this huge youth conference and I had to pass out these blank name tags. And so I was passing out these blank name tags and the young man wrote his name too large. There wasn't enough space on the name tag, so he asked for another one. So he was like, can I have another one? So I was like, oh sure, here you go and, just you know, took the other one and he said, wow, thanks for being so nice about it. And I thought, wow, like, what reaction is he used to?

法蒂瑪先生：16:29

Yeah, no, for real, for real, and he probably was very legitimate with that?

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 16:33

That shocked me. He's like, wow, thanks for being so nice about it. And then one other thing I um I mentioned to you off camera like I love to walk, um, so I was taking a walk and I took a moment to sit on a bench. There was three young men kind of like about to walk past me, um, so I just said, hey, how y'all doing. And so two of them said, uh, yeah, you're good, you know, whatever. But the one who didn't speak said thanks for saying hi to us. And that blew me away too, because I also am around adults that say you know, kids, when they walk in a room with adults, they need to speak. But then, as adults, do we speak to kids?

Fatima Bey: 17:11

絕對不是。這讓我大開眼界。

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 17:15

So I'm like oh my gosh. He said thank you for speaking to us.

Fatima Bey: 17:20

Let's take a deep dive into what you just said, because I think this really drives home what I was talking about. If a person is, if a youth is feeling like that, if a person is feeling like I'm not worth saying hello to, I'm not worth addressing, how are they supposed to be confident and go for the job and career that they're supposed to go for? How are they supposed to be confident and go for anything in life when they're not worth even saying hello to Adults? I want y'all to think about that because the deeper dive into.

Fatima Bey: 17:48

That is what it does to someone psychologically I'm not worth it. And when we send that message through our actions and that's just one of many actions when we correct them without adding the good stuff, without acknowledging the good it's not that the correction shouldn't be there, it should. But, as Orlando was saying, you got to acknowledge the good too, because what you're, the message you're constantly sending over and over again, is you ain't nothing but a little little pipsqueak, a little whatever and get out of my way You're in. What that says is I'm not worth anything.

法蒂瑪先生：18:15

Well, if we constantly receive that message over and over again, repetition is what teaches us humans. Anything we receive over and over again we tend to believe. So it's very important, adults who are listening, that we recognize our youth in the ways and in any kind of way that we can and what's effective for them. So you know, recognizing someone that is disciplined with their time, who's already disciplined with their time every single day. And it's like not a thought for them that might not give them an ego boost, but for someone who came from a household where it's always chaos and they don't understand organization because they weren't raised with it.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 18:54

And then they start to be organized. Well, that's effort and that's a big step for them. Recognize that, say something, and you figure, too, I was a stranger. So imagine the impact if it's someone they know their teacher, their parent, their aunt, their cousin, like I was a stranger and that impacted them.

Fatima Bey: 19:06

Yeah, yeah, and I've gotten similar responses from youth when I go to schools and just in other things, and it really bothers me, not that the youth bothers me, but it bothers me that they're so mistreated that just to me what's normal is special and it shouldn't be. It should just be an everyday thing for them. So, going back to the awards when do they happen?

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 19:31

每年都是八月的第一個星期日，所以今年的日期是8月3日星期日。我們將在下午5點開始一場華麗的紅毯體驗，頒獎典禮將於下午6點開始。

Fatima Bey: 19:46

Nice, and how can people do people travel there physically for it? Yes, yes, we're so excited when we first started.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 19:55

That's why it's important to have your own sometimes your own motivation, because not everyone's going to cheer for you. When we first started, people were like no one's going to come to Pittsburgh for the Shine Awards and my husband and I actually believed that for a really long time. We're like no one's going to come to Pittsburgh for the Shine Awards and my husband and I actually believed that for a really long time. We're like no one's going to come. But they are showing up and it's awesome. So we've awarded people from DC, texas, new Jersey, west Virginia, ohio, just to name a few, kentucky. But yes, it's great to see families travel into our city and experience it and be celebrated again in front of people that they don't even know.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 20:42

Also, during the red carpet we have media sponsors. So that's another public speaking opportunity that we let them know in advance because we don't want anyone freaking out on the carpet. But we have radio stations interview them on the red carpet and there's photographs. But they really truly are the stars that night. Even before and after the show we do kind of like a media tour for those who are available because they're students so sometimes they can't get out of school, but there's some media involved. But they are a star and we work to stay in touch with them really throughout their whole life. Like it's not, like you get a Shine Awards and we disappear, like we're still. We want you to tell us all about your successes and interviews.

Speaker 1: 21:25

That is awesome.

Orlana Darkins Drewery：21:26

Yeah, it's really nice. I call them. I don't think all of them know this, but I call them my shine babies.

Fatima Bey: 21:34

Well, wait a minute, you get a red carpet treatment. Okay, can I be 15 and get one, right?

Orlana Darkins Drewery：21:38

是的，如果你能把自己變成15歲的樣子。我確實有成年人想走這條紅毯。我覺得這更像是為孩子們準備的。

法蒂瑪先生：21:51

But, but, but you know I I challenge you sometimes. Does that count? No, no. But I really love that you're doing this and that you. It's very clear you guys have put a lot of thought into every detail of it. Do they get a plaque? Do they get like a trophy?

Orlana Darkins Drewery：22:06

They get a very nice heavy glass trophy. They also get a financial stipend, and then they might get something else this year, but it's not confirmed yet, so they might get something else, but definitely they'll get a financial stipend and a nice heavy glass shine award.

法蒂瑪先生：22:25

I love that. I love that. Oh my God, that's so awesome. So how? How can people nominate a youth, or how can youth nominate themselves?

Orlana Darkins Drewery：22:33

今年的 Shine 獎提名已經截止。不過，我們全年都會開放提名，所以您仍然可以提名。您將收到關於後續步驟的回复，但您只需訪問我們的網站，網址是 Shine Awards.org，我們用字母 Y 來拼寫“shine”。

法蒂瑪先生：22:56

And it'll be in the show notes as well. So in the podcast description it'll be at the end, it'll be in the middle of it, but there'll be links there so that you all can sign up. So before we go, I want, for some of the adults out there who work with youth or parents, and they love what you're doing and listening and I mean this is international. So, whether they're in Zimbabwe or California listening to what you're saying, they're inspired and they want to recognize the youth in their town and their city and their village. What advice do you have for them?

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 23:26

Yes, my advice would be start where you are, use what you have, because, although I'm talking about a national premier award ceremony, you may not have the resources to do that ways to recognize young people. It could be a quarterly recognition where they get a certificate, or maybe there was a school that did a program where if they caught someone doing something good so maybe they held the door open for a teacher or they picked up some litter in the hallway they got some type of award of some sort or some type of recognition. So it doesn't have to be an expensive, glitzy award ceremony. It could be small efforts that really make an impact in a young person's life. It could be as small as a dinner. It could be as small as a dinner, fatima, I think I'm not sure if I told you this, but I got a phone call from someone that said a teenager just asked can I have a warm meal and a hug? That was her request. So sometimes you're right, sometimes it's a dinner.

Fatima Bey: 24:36

You'd be surprised. Yeah, just just come over and we're going to make some stewed chicken and rice and cornbread or whatever. Now I'm getting hungry, you know, and we just want to recognize that you did better this semester. It could be your next door neighbor. Something is simple.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 24:52

甚至還有披薩。披薩對孩子們來說仍然令人興奮。所以，即使是像「嘿，夥計們，你知道你今天做了什麼好事嗎？」或「我不知道」。不管怎樣，我們要辦個披薩派對。披薩仍然是王道，人們根本停不下來。

Fatima Bey: 25:06

是的，我們總是能找到辦法。我們總能找到辦法。那麼，對於正在聆聽的青少年們，您有什麼建議嗎？

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 25:14

For the teens, I would say just know, you control your own narrative, and the mission of the Shine Awards Foundation is to change the narrative of young people, because, unfortunately, you guys are sometimes just blamed for things that you had nothing to do with. If there's a rising crime, it's probably teens. If cars are being stolen in a neighborhood, it's probably a group of teens. So just know, though, that you have the power to change your own narrative. Going back to the example I had when talking to your parents or teachers, let them know you know I'm going to finish my assignment and I would like to hang out with friends. I'll be back in two hours and then actually do what you say. So that's what I would say Control your own narrative. Be your authentic self. Don't try to pretend to be someone you're not, and you will be surprised of the impact that not only you will have with yourself, but those who's watching you. Know that people are watching you, but know the impact that you will have on yourself and those who are watching you.

法蒂瑪先生：26:08

要知道人們在看著你，嗯，但也要知道你對自己和那些看著你的人的影響，我想，我想稍微借用一下這一點，尤其是說到做到。青少年們，如果你信守諾言，就這麼簡單，只要你說了要做的事，就一定要做到，至少盡你所能，因為有時候事情發生了，你做不到。但你至少要說到做到。你努力去遵守，去堅持。你會驚訝地發現，你真的會激勵你周圍的成年人。我見過這種情況。

Orlana Darkins Drewery：26:33

That is so true. I have a 10 year old nephew. When he tells me, aunt, lana, I'm going to call you at 10 AM, I believe him. He's 10 years old and he does exactly what he says he's going to do as an adult. When he tells me something, I'm like he's he's going to do it. So yeah, that and that also. That also helps the narrative, because you show trust and adults will trust you. So that's that's actually a good point.

Fatima Bey: 26:58

Well, Orlando, it has been so awesome talking to you and I thank you for coming on.

Orlana Darkins Drewery: 27:03

Thank you so much for the invitation. I really enjoyed the conversation and I hope your audience enjoys it too.

Speaker 1: 27:20

現在，我想轉換一下思路，今天我想向你們提出一個挑戰。你們最近有沒有做過什麼來鼓勵身邊的年輕人？我跟你們所有人說話，不管你們多大年紀。我跟你們所有人說話，不管你們多大年紀，就算你們還是個青少年。你們有沒有花時間去鼓勵其他青少年，去鼓舞我們的年輕人？成年人、祖父母、老師、輔導員、消防員，你們有沒有抽出時間對任何青少年說些正面的話？我想挑戰你們每一個人，不管你們身處哪個國家，身處哪個文化。這是我們都能做到的。這很重要。這很重要，因為他們是我們的未來，他們的自信將改變這個世界的運作方式。今天就鼓勵我們的年輕人。他們很重要。

法蒂瑪先生：28:19

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