歡迎收聽《思維轉換力量播客》（Mindshift Power Podcast），這是一個面向青少年及其相關成年人的節目，我們將在這裡進行坦誠而直接的對話。我是主持人法蒂瑪貝，思維轉換專家。歡迎大家！今天我們邀請到了凱瑟琳·欣克利。她是馬薩諸塞州一家美髮沙龍Stylist Cat的老闆兼造型師，同時也是Moso Method的執行長。

凱瑟琳，您能告訴我們CEO是什麼意思嗎？是的。首先，感謝您的邀約。 CEO是首席授權長。我喜歡這種授權。

Mhmm. Now tell us about your background. We'll start off there. Okay. Well, we're gonna we're gonna dive deep here, and I'm gonna go to where it all began, which was when I was a young girl, because everything starts from the beginning.

I was bullied very badly when I was in fourth grade. And I went through a whole year of being called dog chow because I didn't look the way that other people wanted me to look. And as you can imagine, it was a huge influence on the insecurities that would really overshadow my upbringing from that point on. Of course. But I was very truly fortunate and blessed that I had this ability of good influence in my life, and I was able to overcome those really self limiting beliefs that I have about myself because I was able to learn that this bullying had less to do with me and more about the people that were bullying me.

Okay. That that that awareness was, like, mind blowing for me because when you have this strength when you've never had strength before to realize that you're not the problem or an issue, then it gives you strength. So from there, I ended up growing and getting stronger, and I actually went into the beauty industry. So I became a hairdresser because I didn't want anybody else to feel ugly like I did at one point in my life. So for me, it was I actually went off to college.

So I'll give you a little bit more of the story. But I went off to college because I'm old. I'm 53. I'm not old. I'm in the prime of my life.

Yeah. I'm in the prime of my life. But when I was going to college, it was back in the eighties. And in the eighties, if you didn't go to college, you were quote unquote considered a dumb kid. So I was hesitant to go to hairdressing school.

So I brought myself off to college thinking that was what the expectation was. Mhmm. And I didn't do well. It was not my spiritual calling. I just didn't have the schooling, the discipline.

我確信我曾經很聰明，但如果你不運用你的聰明才智，它們就對你毫無用處。所以我離開了大學，最後去了美髮學校，並且取得了成功，因為這正是我應該做的。轉眼間，我已經在美容業混了三十多年了。哇。正如你所說，我擁有並經營著一家沙龍。

And the nice thing about the beauty industry, which I didn't even know when I went into the beauty industry, is that it is deep. There are layers like an onion where if you get that initial training, you can go anywhere. I worked on the distribution side. I worked for manufacturers. I ended up getting internationally trained as an educator in a in a, national business development management role too, so I could train in The United States.

And then I eventually went out on my own and started my own business and created a system for personal and professional growth that helps anybody that wants to get themselves to their goals. I I I just wanna interject a little bit and say I really get why you got into getting into to hairdressing to make women feel beautiful. It is something that I I love about what I do. Anybody who listened to me already knows this, but for new listeners, I'm making design wedding gowns, and, and I do alterations on them. And I I tried to give it up after the pandemic, and I just couldn't.

我非常樂意讓女性在她們人生中最重要的日子裡感受到美麗。而且，身為理髮師，你也可以做同樣的事情。所以我真的明白，身為理髮師，你可以和她們進行一對一的交流，有時甚至會變成諮商。是嗎？是的。

阿門，姊妹。是的。你知道，確實很少人，也很少有職業被允許碰觸別人，理髮師就是其中之一。所以我們會碰觸他們，而你知道，碰別人是不對的。所以我們有能力觸碰別人，但我們觸碰的方式是舒緩的，就像你說的，這讓他們感受到自己被賦予了力量。

是的，婚紗也是一樣。天哪，沒有比這更好的了。不，我得摸你，還得摸你的胸部。

我跟我那位婦產科朋友說，我跟他一樣常常摸別人的乳房。這跟他摸乳房的方式不一樣。你懂的？因為試衣的時候，你必須和別人身體接觸，而且要非常親密地相處。而且，我很享受這種感覺，因為它給了我們一個機會，用語言在生活中播下種子。

Even though what we're doing is physical, our words can make a difference, and the the pot is sitting right in front of us. So I always plant seeds. Yeah. Whether I realize I'm doing that or not. Most of the time, they realize that I'm doing that because I'm pretty transparent, and I don't, you know, I one thing I don't do is pretend.

But, but, yeah, I I love I love that you got into hairdressing for the right reason and not just because you wanted to make pretty. I mean, I do wedding also. I like to make pretty too, but, but to help women out. And I think that says a lot about your character, and you know, why you got into it. So and your character and how you care about other people.

Now I wanna know from you, what has hairdressing done for you? Well, hairdressing is I, you know, you said you tried to get out of your profession as well and, and it sucks you back in because of the feeling that it gives you that, that fulfillment and believing that hairdressing is exactly the same way for anybody that might be interested. It is one of those professions that it is something that for the person that's doing it. So for me, it actually gives me self worth and How's that? It's it's because you can see the changes in somebody else's confidence.

Yes. I mean, think about it. When you get up in the morning, if you put on the wrong clothes and you don't feel good in what you're wearing, you're kinda off all day. But when you're wearing something that you know you're rocking and you just feel totally comfortable in, your whole attitude changes. And being a hairdresser, this is somebody's look.

Now I am the kind of person that somebody's character, the person that they are on the inside is the most important thing. But, unfortunately, in this world, outward expression is there, and Right. People see that. But when you look good, you feel good. And when you're the artist behind that transformation for somebody, it's huge.

It makes you feel validated in for me, it's about trying to empower other people. So for me, I feel validated in that purpose, and it gives me self confidence. I, you know, I developed young, so I was never comfortable in my skin. I was bullied, as I said, when I was young, and I was never in the smart kid classes because I didn't apply myself. So I always had that that lack of confidence.

And I have been in the beauty industry for many decades at this point, so I have the mileage where I've done it many, many times. But when you do something and you can see somebody else feeling good about something that you've done, it gives you confidence. Mhmm. So you're building confidence, but it's kind of like you can't help somebody up the hill without getting up the hill yourself. I like that analogy.

I just keep think I just keep comparing everything you're saying to what I do as a as a wedding gown seamstress. And I I hadn't really thought about it quite the way you just said it, but you're a % right. It does because you you you build confidence in yourself when you make a difference in someone else's life, even if it's just for one day, even if it's just for one small little thing. Mhmm. But it's a big deal to us to know that this you know, for me, to know that this bride now feels more confident for her wedding day.

所以她至少需要處理好她和家人之間所有那些瑣碎的事情。你懂嗎？因為我，我跟你說過，我和很多人進行過非常非常非常私人的對話，我非常非常愛我的新娘們。我喜歡讓她們感覺自己像公主一樣。讓她們覺得自己很美。

這不只是外表的問題。看，事情是這樣的。婚禮，我知道你做過婚禮髮型，所以你懂的。婚禮是女人一生中最感人的日子之一，或者說，婚禮和生孩子。這兩個日子，你知道，通常情況下，都是女人一生中最感人的日子。

Yeah. And, when a woman is getting married, unfortunately, weddings bring out and not just for the woman, but for the guys too. But weddings bring out the dynamics of your family, the dynamics of all your relationships. So all the crap that was already there starts to show itself. Mhmm.

And all the good that was already there also starts to show itself. You see a little bit of everything, and this can make a woman so emotional. So to have someone, whether it's a hairdresser or a seamstress, to be able or sometimes it's a wedding planner because they can sometimes do this too. To be able to give them a moment of ease, of less stress is such a big deal. Yep.

Now I said all that to lead into I want you to tell the audience what is the MOSO method. What does that stand for? What does it mean and how does it apply to teenagers? Okay. Well, I'm going to start by telling you the story of the giant bamboo, which is called the MOSO bamboo.

我大概十五年前就聽過這個故事。故事是這樣的。竹子不像傳統的植物。竹子的種子非常堅硬，你必須把它種在合適的土壤裡，每天澆水施肥。第一年，你要澆水、施肥、培養、愛護它，做所有你應該做的事情。

And after a whole year of doing this, you never see any growth above the surface of the of the ground. There's nothing there. And you're like, what the heck? I've been doing this and I've been being faithful and doing what I'm supposed to do, but there's nothing there. The whole second year, same thing.

You don't see anything. You're watering, you're nurturing, you're fertilizing. Third year, nothing. Fourth year, nothing. And then in that fifth year, all of a sudden in just over a month, the moso bamboo shoots out of the ground and it grows to upwards of 90 feet in just over a month.

這真是難以置信。所以我不知道你們是否覺得不可思議，真的不可思議。我不知道你們是否聽過「親眼看到竹子生長」這種說法。他們指的是這種植物，因為它真的能長高，每天三公尺。你可以坐在那裡看著它長大。

所以，當我聽到關於毛竹的消息，並了解到這種神奇的植物——其實是一種草——的時候，我心想，糟了。我放棄得太早了。例如，我會把我的學科、我的實踐和我每天要做的工作講一遍。我當時在美國公司工作，我期望並認為我應該得到回報，無論是應得的薪水、佣金、職業發展，還是其他什麼。我做著我認為應該做的事情，但卻沒有得到回報，所以我只能繼續前進。

And I realized I was moving on too soon. And this made me realize that just because we're not seeing things happening doesn't mean they're not happening. Because for five years yes. Just because we don't see things happening doesn't mean they're not happening. For five years, that bamboo, the the root system is growing underneath the ground, making itself super, super strong so that when that massive bamboo shoots out of the ground, it can sustain its growth.

So move forward to what I created, which was the MOSO method. I created a a method with this idea in mind because it made sense to me. I had gone through life doing one of two things, either doing all this strategy that I thought was the most important thing because Mhmm. Traditionally, it was back in the olden days, and you do just the work. But then when I started to learn about emotional intelligence, which is probably another podcast, which is really the soft skills that goes along with life or, quote, unquote, life skills, When I learned about that, I applied that to everything that I did, but that also didn't make me successful.

And what I learned is that you had to combine both disciplines, the personal life skills, with the active strategy to sustain your goals, to reach your goals. So the system I created, which is called the MOSO method, is a simple six step program that if you apply it to anything in your life, you will be successful. And it takes the vowels of the American vocabulary, which is a e I o u y. We've all learned it and know it. And our vocabulary is 26 letters, but this is just a tiny, tiny portion of it.

But without those vowels, without that those letters, none of it would be understood. And that's how I think about the Moso method with our lives. So a, e, I, o, u, y represent attitude, effort, intent, opportunity, uniqueness, and then you, because you or I are the only people that can make something happen in our lives. So the way that this applies to teenagers and any human that wants to be successful is that it teaches us that number one, everything starts with a good root system, so you need to know your fundamentals and what the basics of going through life are. And then the second thing it takes is daily behaviors.

Very small activities every day going in the right direction will lead you to where you're going. We're all going through life. And in five years, the teenagers of today, they're gonna be adults and they're gonna end up somewhere. The question is where. So they can either go through life accidentally and end up wherever life takes them, or they can choose to be intentional with something like the Moso method.

有很多很棒的方法。當然，我喜歡Moso方法，因為它是我發明的。但如果他們在生活中有目標，他們實現目標的可能性就會更大，達到目標的可能性會高出92%。你說的是92%。我不同意。

I'm gonna say 95. I'll go with your number. I I I one of the reasons, talk to the audience right now. One of the reasons I had, Catherine come on is I really, really just immediately fell in love with with her analogy with the most MOSO, bamboo plant. And I do completely agree that, you know, this method is true for all of us, but very effective if we actually apply it, but with the understanding that applying it is not going to look the same for all of us.

Applying it for a 44 year old versus a 14 year old, they're gonna look different. They're not gonna be that different. They're gonna be the same in principle, but they're gonna look different. So now, Catherine, I'm gonna ask you. Let's say I'm a senior in high school, and I'm going to college next year.

And I don't want to pay I wanna pay for college without 90,000,000 freaking dollars in debt. So how do I apply the MOSO method in my situation? Well, you know, the biggest thing with the MOSO method, I'm gonna start with how what the mentality or mindset should be going into that next stage of life. Because even though college is still school, it is a completely different animal because when we think about elementary school or or fundamental schooling into high school, it's familiar. Even if we end up going to a regional school where you meet new kids, you still have that security of where you've always been.

所以，我們已經習以為常的等級制度很熟悉，對某些孩子來說，這可能很好，對某些孩子來說，可能很糟糕。沒錯。大學的好處在於，它可以是一個新的開始。你進入大學的心態可以改變一切。所以我想對高中生說的第一件事是，要明白你剛才說的是你自己，最後一點是，如果你不為自己努力，沒有人能為你做任何事。

So to understand the personal accountability that's going to have to be applied to everything that you do. And if you want to not be in debt, of course, we know that study can help you to get to your, to the, when they give you the money. Scholarships. Yes. Yes.

Scholarships. I just had a senior moment right there. Woo. Oh, that's okay. I have them too.

是的。我老了。我老了。不過，還有一件事我可以說。我的孩子都在上大學。

So I can say that my daughter, when she was getting ready to go to college now, of course, I try to help as much as I can, but she luckily, I'd instilled this personal accountability into her long ago because who else do you lecture but your kids? Any chance that you can get. So she had applied. If you go online as a student, you can look look up all of the different scholarships that they give, and you would be amazed at what they give scholarships for. You could be first first born in your family.

You could be blue eyed and they give a scholarship for it. They you could be blonde hair. It doesn't matter what you are. If you look up all the random scholarships, it's gonna help. So putting yourself out there and not being embarrassed of asking for everything because, of course, we all know that the answer is always no if we don't ask the question.

So ask for help. Make sure that you're reaching out to whoever and however you can to find out how you can be helped financially and supported educationally. But the other thing I was going to add is that who you surround yourself with matters. Big time. As we've been going through school up until graduation in high school, you know, it's hard to change your friends, and there's no need to get rid of your friends.

但如果你的朋友沒有給你鼓勵、支持，也沒有推動你走向更美好的未來，那麼是時候尋找新的朋友了。哦，是的。我看到了一張詹姆斯·卡麥隆的照片，他是我們這個時代的偉大電影人，可以說是我們這個時代最頂尖的電影人之一。這張照片是他五十歲生日派對上坐在桌邊的照片。他周圍圍著布萊恩德帕瑪、朗霍華、莫頓史柯西斯等六位功勳卓著的電影製片人和導演。

In one of the teenagers may not know who those people are. Yes. But think of anybody massive. Think of think of think of, Jaws and Titanic, like these massive blockbuster of the yesteryear. And when I saw this picture, I thought to myself, well, duh.

I mean, of course, they're all hanging out. They probably put them together promotionally because they're all massive films film directors. But then when I read the article, what I learned is that they're not hanging out because because they're these big stars. They're big stars because they were friends. They met when they were young starting film school.

And they challenged each other and supported each other. And it's who you surround yourself with that makes all the difference. I wanna take a moment back, and talk to eighth graders right now. Okay. Because when I say teens, some of them are in eighth grade right now.

Mhmm. And when you, you're going from eighth grade to ninth grade, that's actually a big deal for everybody. I don't care who you are and what town you grew up in and what school you're going to. For the most part, for most people that that's a big deal. It's a big change.

It's another level. And you're going to make new friends. When I think about your MOSA Method and I think about the fact that you said that and this is probably the biggest thing that got me. You don't see anything for years. You keep you plant the seeds.

You keep watering. You keep taking care of it. You keep putting in, keep putting in, keep putting in. You don't see any results for a long time, and then boom pow. All of a sudden, you have all this massive growth, and it's one of the strongest.

I didn't know it was considered a grass because I think of it as a Yeah. Tree. But And it's the most sustainable, strongest, wood that there is. Yes. Wood.

就是這個詞。謝謝。沒錯，它是世界上最強大的力量。所以，當我們八年級升九年級的時候，或者無論你讀幾年級，你都要去一所新學校的時候，情況其實都差不多。我們需要…我希望所有正在聽的人，如果是你們，我想讓你們思考 MOSA 方法。

我希望你記住這個計劃。無論你現在做什麼，無論你接下來要做什麼，都要記住，你可能需要不斷積累，一遍又一遍地重複做同樣正確的事情。不要指望微波爐能迅速產生效果，因為人生中真正持久的東西通常不會一夜之間就發展起來。所以，凱瑟琳說，你可以利用一些你擁有的友誼，它們可能會改變你未來的人生，因為你現在的方向取決於你身邊的人。嗯。

Yeah. That's so true. You know, you you just said bank account, and I use the analogy of depositing if in this imaginary bank account, all of these positive things that you do, like your attitude and your behaviors and how you treat other people, it all adds up. Because down the road, you can pull from that bank account. It's how you develop your networking, which is so helpful in the future of life.

And another piece of advice for those younger for for all of you that are listening, one thing that I noticed even in my own children, it was kind of a block because and even as an adult, I have to say it happens to us. It's really easy to let our ego get in the way of our happiness, and I want to explain what that means. Listen. We all believe what we believe, and we we have our own feelings about things, which is legitimate because we are all brought up our own particular ways and certain things that touch us, they evoke an emotional reaction, and that's okay. But when we can become self aware enough, and this is a very hard thing to do even as an adult.

So if you can get on board with this as a student, you're gonna be so much further ahead than everybody around you. But if you can become self aware enough to recognize that when there's opportunity for change and that change is changing into a belief that maybe you were not aware of or on board with to begin with, but you lay down your ego and adapt to whatever is coming your way, you're gonna find more happiness. And with that, I I there's nothing else for me to say because I think you're right. Good. With that, Catherine, I thank you for, for coming on and and and speaking to our youth.

我知道有很多成年人也在聽，他們也聽到了你所說的一切。所以，如果有人想了解更多關於你的教練方法和你所做的工作，他們該如何找到你？是的。他們可以直接造訪我的網站，網址是 mosomethod.com，m 0 s 0 method.com。我確實寫了一本書。

I prefer the audible version. I did narrate it myself, so I can read it to you. You can download it right on Audibles, or the book is called The Moso Method, a simple system for personal and professional growth. And it is really just a a a simple system. Alright.

Well, thank you for for coming on, and I I'm hoping that we were able to plant some seeds today. I believe that we did. Just talking about that Mosso analogy, I think, may have, you know, planted some seeds in in some mines that will hopefully turn into bamboo later. Yeah. I hope so.

非常感謝你邀請我加入你的播客，祝大家新年快樂！現在，讓我們換個角度思考。我希望你思考一下，你所做的一切都是為了創造更美好的未來，為了發展你的事業，為了建立你的事業，為了建立你的自尊，為了塑造你的人格。你現在正在積蓄力量。像竹筍一樣，像竹子一樣，繼續積蓄力量吧。

You may have to plant and water and water and take care and continue to make those deposits until one day it matures. You don't wanna keep putting money into a bank account and then close it before the money matures. Do not quit. Do not give up on what you are sowing into right now. Please continue to do it.

This podcast is for teens, but I'm talking to you adult listeners too. Don't quit. Keep sowing those seeds. You will see a strong plant arise if you don't quit. I want you to think about that.

Please be encouraged. Please continue to deposit. Parents, keep doing the right thing and teaching your kids the right thing. You may not see the results until they mature. Don't quit.

Keep going. Thank you for listening to mind shift power podcast. Please like and subscribe to my YouTube channel at the mind shifter. If you have any comments, topic suggestions, or would like to be a guest on the show, please visit Fatima Bay dot com slash podcast. Remember, there's power in shifting your thinking.

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