Welcome to Mindshift Power Podcast, a show for teenagers and the adults who work with them, where we have raw and honest conversations. I'm your host, Fatima Bey, the mind shifter. And welcome, everyone. Today, we have with us Janiyah. You've heard her before.

She is featured on episode two and five, a couple more couple other episodes. But this is a follow-up for episode two, which is called Real Change. That episode will be linked in the podcast description. I highly recommend that you listen to that episode first so that this one makes more sense and you can hear her progress. You can hear the changes.

我們這次的節目是典型的法蒂瑪風格。我們會坦誠地講述成功、失敗等等。所以，我相信每一位聽眾，都會在這一集節目中看到自己，或者在她今天要說的某些話中看到你認識的人。所以，無論你年紀幾何，我都希望你認真聽。我還想告訴你，賈尼亞現在在她的宿舍裡。

所以，很遺憾，你可能會聽到一些細微的背景噪音，像是走廊上關門的聲音。她在宿舍裡。沒辦法。而且，我這裡確實有剪輯，有剪輯技術，但我沒有好萊塢那種剪輯。所以，事情就是這樣。

You might hear some noise in the background. I'll do the best I can to minimize it, but it might be there. Alright. So I am so freaking excited to do this episode. I could not wait to do it.

她的那一集播出時間大概是一年前，一年多一點。現在是2024年10月，第一集播出於2023年8月。所以，在最後一集播出時，Janiyah只有17歲。現在她18歲了，很快就要19歲了。她長大了。

And In the last episode, we talked about Janiah's journey from feeling low about herself with no hope for her future, which is where she was when I met her, to deciding that she was gonna be she was gonna go to college and then eventually become a family lawyer. So back then, we were talking about ideas, and now let's hear her progress. How are you doing, Janiyah? Good. Good.

So I guess I gave away the answer to this already. Are you in college now? Yes. Yay. You should go to college.

So how was the how was the college application process? Like, how was it the journey to getting to college? It was like hell. Straight hell. Tell us why.

Well, it was hell because my GPA was not good, so it was really hard for me to get into college. So when I found the college that I'm at now, they end up wait listing me because my GPA didn't meet, like, their standards. So they had to send it off to the HEOP program. Mhmm. And the the HEOP program has to make on or make a decision on whether I can have a chance to go to the school.

Yes. And, because I've been with Janiyah this entire time and helping to walk her through a lot of things, the first college that she really, really wanted to get into, they rejected you, didn't they? Yes. They did. And you were very sad about that?

I was very, very sad. Consult but you did have some concerns because it was a huge school, and I was very fascinated on, oh my god. The school looks so fun. It's a lot of people and parties. And she's and then you was like, I don't know about that.

嗯。所以，你覺得現在我們之間已經談過了，但為了觀眾的利益，你覺得他們拒絕你是好事嗎？是的。是的。其實我很感激，因為我在小教室裡學得更好，而且我需要額外的支持。

And if I was to go to the other school I wanted to go to, I would have been doing really, really bad. I am struggling in college, but I would have been doing a thousand times worse in that college. I think it's it'll be up to a point where I would have probably dropped out if I went to that college. I think you're I think you're probably right. I think it would have been overwhelming.

I'm glad that they rejected you. I know it didn't feel good and you know? But, but you still kept hope alive and you kept going. And you kept applying and because I take that as God's that's God's protection, and he wants me to go to another direction. So rejection, that's God's protection.

So he's saying You you just heard it from a 18 year old girl. I yes. Sometimes rejection is God's protection. You are, you mentioned it earlier. So what program are you in, that that, accepted you into the college?

HEOP stands for Higher Education Opportunities Program. Yep. And and this has this program been good for you? It has been very, very good to me. Couldn't thank them enough.

I I had mentioned it in a previous episode, another, episode where we're talking about colleges. For the audience listening, HEOP is the, Higher Education Opportunity Program, and it is an amazing program available here in New York State. I don't know. There are other programs like other programs like in other states. I don't know what they're all called.

它們的名字都不一樣，也不是每個州都有。應該說，項目都差不多。然後還有EOP，它是同一個項目，但有州版本。如果你在紐約州，我強烈建議你盡可能嘗試。如果你有機會，一定要試試，因為它們真的很棒。

Not just with financial aid, but the amount of support that they give students is pretty, pretty strong. So are you in a public or private college, Janiyah? I am in a private. And the big what's the biggest difference between those two? Private schools is, all is very expensive.

是的，是的。所以最大的差別就是幾千美元。我會從我的角度告訴你們，Janiyah 也會證實這一點。當她還在找大學的時候，我其實希望她去公立學校，因為我知道公立學校比較便宜，而且因為不用付那麼多錢，所以更有可能得到更多的經濟援助。

And I didn't want her to come out of college with, you know, $30,000,000,000 in debt like everybody else does. So I really want I was really encouraging her to go for state schools. I wasn't even looking at the private schools. But it turns out this this private school was a so much of a better deal for her than any of those state schools. You remember those conversations, Janiyah?

是的。你希望我上州立大學，例如社區大學。嗯。你希望她整個計畫都是讓我上社區大學，這樣我就能得到學術支持，因為社區大學往往會給你很多支持，讓你為四年制大學做好準備，而且畢業後學費也更便宜。但我想那不是她的計劃。

我很高興事情沒有成功，因為我覺得你現在的情況比其他地方好得多。你知道嗎？你本來可以做到的，但光是這所學校給你的支持就非常好。所以我很感激你還在。現在我想問你一個問題，因為，再次強調，這算是一次更新，回顧Janiyah的成長歷程，包括進步、掙扎和起伏。

So were you nervous about your college interview? Yes. I was. Yes and no. I was I was between.

Okay. So tell us what you mean. The reason why I would say yes because I was nervous is because I was competing with other people. The reason why I wasn't nervous is because the HEOP wanted to know who you are to see if you will be a good candidate for the program. And I was confident about that because I know myself very well.

所以我想，好吧。沒什麼壓力。你的大學申請文書寫的什麼？我的大學申請文書是一篇個人敘述，講述了我如何從一無所有到搖身一變，最終成就鑽石的歷程。確實如此。

我之所以提到這一點，是為了各位聽眾，尤其是那些即將上大學、大三或大四的學生，你需要填寫加州大學聯合入學申請表（Cal JSA），千萬別寫那些千篇一律的。你填寫的內容越個人化、越真實，越能脫穎而出。那些千篇一律的申請表，他們一天能看上百萬，根本就沒什麼亮點。跟他們說，面試的時候，他們說了什麼讓你覺得面試很順利，讓你在他們眼中脫穎而出？

I thought it was so the HOP so the HOP team is four people. So I was in I would all four of them interviewed me, and all four of them asked me different questions. So it was different things that they it was different things they was really impressed about me. One of them asked me one of them one of them asked me how do I feel about when I'm struggling? Do I ask for help?

And how do I how how do I how do I ask for help? And how do I eat how do I feel when I receive help? Like, what do I do when I receive help? Okay. Yeah.

我努力回想你當時是怎麼跟我說的。是的。所以我告訴他們，我當時想，費伊小姐，當她幫助我，幫助我找到自我的時候，我本來可以選擇不聽她的。我本來可以選擇不聽她的建議和建議，但我聽了，而且我一直找她。我之所以能有今天的成就，是因為她，或者說，我把功勞都歸功於她。

And and I I I told them every time I struggle really, really bad, I always ask for help. And that stood out that stood out to one of them because they're like, you know what? Because there's a lot of people that struggles, and they just decide to stay where they're at. So Yes. I like that about you.

And one of the one of the other this was actually she's the HEOP assistant. What stood out to her was I she realized she liked that I, realized that I had value in my I had value. And because she told me that that's what is the HOP is about because a lot of you guys, you know, went through you guys' high school struggles. And we want you guys to know, like, listen. You guys have value.

You can do it. So yeah. I wanna interject there, and kinda go back to something. I'm talking to the audience right now that Jania said. What she didn't mention is when she was nervous about her college interview, she she gave me a call first.

Right? Like, a few days before, she's like, I'm really nervous. It was like on a Sunday and the interview is Tuesday or something like that. And she's like, I'm really nervous. Oh my god.

你知道嗎？我想強調她剛才說的，好的方面是她確實向別人求助了，不管是我還是別人。她感到緊張的時候，不知道如何放鬆，也不知道該如何真正做好準備，而不是只是坐在那裡緊張地憋著。如果不是我提前幾天幫她，讓她感覺更自在一些，她面試時可能表現不會這麼好。我並沒有告訴她該說什麼。

Not one time did I tell her what to say. I just coached her into being mentally prepared to do it for herself. And, you know, we it's important that you ask for help. You might not have a miss bae. You might have an uncle Joe.

You might have, somebody at your church. You might have somebody at school. It is really so important that you ask for help when you're feeling nervous and you have those moments. The find someone you can trust and ask for that help. It really can matter and make a difference.

That person can really make a difference in your life if you let them. And the key thing is she really could have ignored everything I said. She could have been, like, I know everything. I don't need Lizzie you. She could have done all that.

Yeah. I probably would have even gotten to that college if it wasn't for miss Faye because she was teaching me how to learn myself and to learn who I am. And if it wasn't for her, I would have been a lost soul. So Mhmm. And thank you, Janiyah.

But I want your audience to know that I do not have magical powers. There are others around you who might be just like me who can help you. So it's so important that you reach out for help. This this just this whole episode just excites me. So now you were nervous for your interviews, but let's move on to law school.

So, obviously, you're not in law school yet because you're only a freshman in college right now. Mhmm. And when I last talked to you, it was before you before you began your senior year in in high school. So the school particular school that you're in has a program that can fast track you to a particular law school, which is so perfect because it's something that we had talked about, you know, prior to that. And that's really what she wanted.

And lo and behold, she was able to get into a school because not all schools have that. And so she's in the perfect place to do exactly what, you know, she really was trying to do. Now let me ask talk about college finances because that's something that we should talk about because I want other people to to hear. How many loans did you have to take out? Well, first of all, it's a private school.

Private schools usually cost at least $35 a year, but most of the time, it's between 35 and $60 a year. The that's on average. I am pulling those numbers off of my memory, but it depends on the state that you're in. They can those numbers can all be different. But when it comes to private colleges, they are a lot.

So how many loans did you have to take out, Janiyah? Due to the HVOP program, what? That's amazing because most people have to take out several. And how much is that loan or roughly how much was that one loan one loan? It's only around $3,000.

It's in that range. I want you guys listening. I'm get where I'm giving you these details because I want you to be encouraged. That can be you too no matter what state you're in. Is it like 96% of your tuition is paid for Yes.

Outside of the loan or some percentage around there? Because we're not looking at our paperwork right now, but somewhere around 96% of her college is paid for. That means 96% of her the her first year in college is paid for. She does not have to pay it back. Grants and, tuition assistance and all kinds of different things.

So it does not all coming from one source. But I want you all to know that that can be you too. You do not have to take out $50,000,000,000 in loans. And $3,000 is a lot when you're a college student, but it's not a lot when you look at the overall value of what you're getting, but the overall, you know, cost of tuition, she can literally pay that back before she even goes to law school if she wants to. Or if she wants to pay it back within the first year after college, she can.

It's not that's not a lot. It's not gonna keep her in debt for years, you know, like 10 or $15,000 or the other amounts that a lot of people pay for. Right, Janire? Yes. So I'm so excited about that.

現在我們來談談另一個我認為大家需要聽聽的話題。好的。你並不孤單。大學生活對你來說是個挑戰嗎？是的。

It has. So let's talk about just just a couple of the ways that it has been a challenge. So in college, it's more you're more independent. That's what I'm struggling with. Mhmm.

我和一位教授的關係也不太好，因為高中的時候，如果你和老師合作不太好，很容易就能換掉他們。到了大學，就沒那麼容易了。你可以換教授，但那樣做會很不好看。這會影響你的成績單。在我的成績單上。

這看起來不太好。所以，是的，這很難。各位聽眾，如果你正在讀高中，想上大學，你一定會遇到很差的教授。就這樣吧。結束。

Whether you like it or not. Some some of them will be amazing and really good teachers. But, unfortunately, everybody who's a professor does not have the gift of teaching. They have a whole bunch of knowledge and some paperwork behind their name. It doesn't mean that they're good teachers.

So no matter what school you go to, what topic it is, you are going to have to navigate around bad teachers. That is a fact. I'm just preparing you now. Doesn't it makes it harder, but yeah. High school, they give you they they're too lenient sometimes.

In high school, you can navigate around bad teachers. You can just go to your guidance counselor, principal, like, listen. I don't want to teach you no more. I don't work. Switch you just like that.

You'll be you have a new teacher the next day. College? Oh, no. It don't slide. You can, but it's not gonna look good.

Right. Right. So I want I wanted all of you to hear that. Tell me about what what was the summer like? Explain to the audience what you, what you had to do this this summer and what that was like.

So due to the HOP program, since I had since I have, like, a low GPA, they took us for the summertime to prepare us for the fall semester, and we had to get our credits up. And I'm not gonna lie, it was straight hell. Mhmm. It benefit me. It it did it had some, a lot some good things happened in the program.

The reason why I say it was hell is because the HOP program, we was doing fifteen weeks of work, and it's they squished it in into five weeks. The HOP used to be fifteen weeks long, but decided to cut it to five weeks, and that was a lot. I did not I feel like I I was always busy. I didn't really have no personal time, and it was very overwhelming for me. So I was ready.

我不撒謊。我當時已經準備好辭職了。我每天都哭著給戴小姐打電話，說，聽著，我不想再這樣下去了。我準備好了，離開。

I even told my high school guidance counselor. And my high school guidance counselor, she's very close to me as well. We have a strong relationship. She's one of the reasons why I also got into the college. Yeah.

She back to she basically, like, said, like, hey. I have a girl, Janiyah. Her her application is coming, so, like, can keep an eye out on that and like that. And after that, that's when it had to get that's when she sent it to the HOP office because she couldn't, like, accept me because I didn't it my my my GPA didn't meet it, didn't meet the standards. I wanna backtrack for a second and mention something.

去年，我告訴Janiyah的第一件事就是，我特意給她佈置了一項任務，讓她去找一位輔導員，並好好了解一下。今年上大學之前，一定要先認識你的輔導員，因為他們會是你最好的朋友。他們比我懂的更多，能幫你解決我不知道的問題。我之所以這麼說，是想強調，認識那些能幫助我們更上一層樓的人非常重要。有時候，重要的不是你知道什麼，而是你認識誰。

And I don't mean kiss people's butt and be fake. Okay? Let me make that clear. That is not what she did at all, and I don't want you doing that either. I it it is okay to befriend people and network with people who are gonna help you get to the next level.

這是一件美好的事情。事實上，這很明智。所以，我希望你們能從中學到一點教訓：如果你還在讀高中，就應該和你的輔導員或更了解你未來方向的人交朋友，無論是大學還是其他地區。你知道，這非常重要。抱歉。

我決定把這句話加進去。那麼，你覺得自己在過去一年有什麼成長？ Janiyah，你還跟上次訪問時一樣嗎？沒有。好的。

Why? Has college helped to increase or decrease your confidence? Honest answer. It college decreased my confidence. Okay.

It I feel like college, like, humbled me because before in the last interview, I was very excited. I was going into my senior year, going into college, and and, and my next goal will be getting my bachelor's degree. Mhmm. But, you know, easier said than done, and I didn't realize that at first. I'm just saying, yeah.

我打算主修心理學。我會做這做那。這對我來說會更容易，因為我對心理學感興趣，而這完全是相反的。是的。其實不是，是大學，別誤會我的意思。

大學生活很有趣，但你得選一些你不喜歡的課。嗯。你感興趣的專業，尤其是在你大一的時候，可能會說你是商科、兒童教育、護理，或其他什麼專業。當你還是大學一年級的時候，你學的都是一些基礎課，而這些基礎課一點也不好玩。一點也不好玩。

Maybe when you get when you're in your I'll say in your junior and senior year, that's where it gets fun. You know when you're about it's like it's like going to a water park or you're going somewhere fun. You know, sitting in a car, right, it's not fun, but you have to do it. But then when you're getting out the car, because you're at the destination, walking there and then actually being there now, it's fun. So you just have to wait.

所以你說它削弱了你的自信心，我知道，因為我們聊過這些。從學業上來說，它真的真的真的給你帶來了高中沒有的挑戰。或許它應該有。高中應該會給你更多挑戰，但它沒有。所以這有時會讓你覺得自己有點蠢。

Yes. Am I am I right? Now are you stupid? I am not stupid. Okay.

所以你還沒完全失去信心？沒有。但我知道我沒有遲到。我只是笨而已。我做不到。

Okay. So what I what I hear is that it's challenging, but it makes you feel like maybe, oh my god. Can I do this? But at the end of the day, what I also hear in your voice is hope Yes. For the end game.

Hope am I correct? Am I putting words in your mouth? Am I right? Yes. Hope for the end game.

我希望各位聽眾能夠理解這一點，因為這就是成長的現實。成長並非完美。你不可能一夜之間就從a做到z。這行不通，也並非事實。你總是會遇到挑戰。

你會有懷疑的時刻。你會有想要認輸的時刻。但你會認輸嗎？不，我不會認輸。

As you guys can hear, she she has her doubts sometimes. And I'll tell you, this summer, it was a challenge because she's not lying when she said she called me every day. And it was after one conversation after one conversation, she goes, miss Bae, you're a coach. Yes. And I'm like, that's what I've been doing this whole time.

呃。但她不會用那種頭銜來看我。但有時候，你知道，她需要那種鼓勵，這對她來說真的很難。而且我知道她確實盡了最大的努力，我可以百分之百肯定地說，她不是在開玩笑。她沒有和朋友出去玩，開玩笑，喝酒，做那些事。

She wasn't running around with boys. She was literally focused and trying her hardest. But that's also why she's there now. If she hadn't done this, she would have failed right out. So Are you partying now, or are you focused or a little bit of both?

我沒有。我沒有。我跟你說實話。我沒有參加過任何派對。我沒有。我沒有。

Not yet. I haven't done it. I will. I have been sociable. Listen, y'all.

Sometimes, I have had to tell Janiyah, you need to make sure you make more friends because Janiyah is perfectly happy sitting in a room and studying. And I and I'm glad it's beautiful that she's that way. But I also wanna see her be balanced. And and all for all of you out there, some of you is the opposite of her. You'd rather party and not study, but you're not gonna get anywhere doing that.

是的。我還沒去過。你需要保持平衡。我還沒參加過任何派對。我和朋友也還算合得來。所以，這很好。

No. There's nothing wrong with partying. No. I I I you should have some fun because if you don't, then you end up exploding later because you you didn't get your angst out. You know?

And how do you feel about your future right now? How do I feel about my future is I still want to advocate for children that has not changed and will not change. Mhmm. Something that has changed is how I'm gonna get there because Okay. Let's go to that.

Because as you guys can see, previous podcast, I said I will major in psychology. I changed that. I'm actually majoring in criminal justice. I don't like it. I'm actually thinking about majoring in sociology.

Mhmm. So, yes. I don't know which path I'm gonna take, but I'm gonna get there somehow. Right. The thing I wanna add for the listeners is she wants to be a family attorney.

她想成為家庭律師的原因是能夠為孩子們爭取權益，就像她希望有人能為她爭取權益一樣。她在第二集和上一集確實談到了這一點。但她一直在給我發訊息，所以我們也討論了她可以繼續這樣做的不同方式。家庭律師只是其中一種方式。還有其他途徑，仍然需要接受教育，她仍然會繼續學習，繼續前進，她可以先學習，然後再成為律師，或者先成為律師，然後再做其他事情。

那麼，你介意我告訴觀眾你正在考慮的另一件事嗎？是的。所以它叫做「青少年緩刑官」。就是這樣。緩刑官。

我們討論了很多不同的頭銜，請各位觀眾原諒。青少年緩刑官，她仍然可以做這件事。她還可以當家庭律師。您最終的目標是什麼？想告訴觀眾，成為家庭律師後，您的最終目標是什麼？

Oh, my actual main, main, main goal is to be a, family judge. A family court judge. Yes. Family court judge. Personally think that if she becomes a I do think she would make a good, juvenile probation officer because she'd be real with the with the teens and relate to them.

But, also, they wouldn't be able to run all over her, and I think that's a perfect combination. But if you combine that with being a lawyer, I think that's excellent, combination of different perspectives before becoming a judge. Now that's just my personal opinion. But the good thing is that Janiyah has options. She does not even have to decide that this year.

She can decide next year what she's gonna do. But what I like about what I see from Janiyah, and again, I'm talking to you as the audience. What I like about what I see from Janiyah is she is very much focused on deciding what her bigger picture is in the future. Which way do I wanna go to get there? She's not waiting for a shoe to drop or a rock to fall on her.

She is planning. And if you are in that stage, it is okay if you haven't figured it out yet. If you're listening, you're in high school or you're in the first year of college and you're you're you made your decision, but you're like, I don't know. Maybe I might wanna go this way. It is okay for you to figure that out.

There's nothing wrong with you. It, in fact, is very normal. The people who are in denial about it are the abnormal ones, not you. So I just wanna point that out. So if we do another follow-up episode after this, we'll say what she has decided because what she's deciding is how what to narrow it down to.

Her overall goal is still the same, but like she said, there's different paths you can take to get there. And she's been kinda up and down and talking to me about it and and still hasn't made a fine decision, and that's okay. It's her first year it's her first semester as a freshman. So it it's good that she's thinking that, but it's okay that she hasn't fully decided that. She hasn't changed the end game, but still deciding how to get there.

And that is, oh, so wonderful. So what advice, Janiyah, do you have for the teens who are in high school right now? The teens, my advice is please be mindful on what you do in every grade because every grade counts, and it will affect you later. It will it will it will affect you later at towards the end. Another thing is plea if you are a teen that is in that is in your junior or senior year, high in high school or planning on going to college, I please ask you guys to please, please, please appreciate these teachers now because you're not gonna get that same support in college.

Another thing is please be involved in a lot of things because that's also that's also very important because me looking back at my high school, me I mean, college, I'm obviously I was thinking about my four years of high school. And I'm like, I really wasn't really involved in a lot of things, and you don't you really don't want that. You don't wanna have a bland four years of high school. Very good advice. And the advice she's given you is conversations that she's already had with me.

But she didn't know who she was until just, you know, the end of her junior year, which is when she met me and, you know, I started coaching her and she started to realize that she had value and started giving effort. You know, all of that took place at the end of her junior year. So she was able to get into the the good college really good college that she's in now, and move forward even though she didn't do that great the first three years. And I'm saying that because as an audience, if you're in high school, take her her advice, Tahid, please. Do the best you can from where you can't stop the past, you can change the past.

Yes. But you can start today and make a difference and care about your future. And just understand that you matter enough to care about your future. And and started making. Go ahead.

Surround yourself around p good peers because surrounding yourself around people that's not going anywhere, don't have any goals, don't care about anything. People feel people that feels like they have nothing to lose, don't hang around those people like that. Because if you're hanging out with people that have nothing to lose, you're gonna end up having nothing to lose, and you're not gonna go anywhere like that. And who you hang around is who you become. If you can't really find anyone that's, like, on that's really on the same boat as you, it's okay to be alone.

Yes, boring sometimes, but you gotta do what you have to do to be successful. And that's how I was in high school. I felt like I could I couldn't relate to and well, towards in my senior year junior senior year, I started to get more serious about things. And, you know, when I started to mature, I couldn't really find people like me. And I just felt, like, all all all alone and by myself because the way how I was maturing.

And college is different now. I'm with people that's like me now. You just you said a whole lot right there. And for adults listening, I want you to know you can apply that same principle to your own life. Who are you around?

Where are they going? People with no goals, no go nowhere. Okay? And, you you wanna be careful who you're hanging around and take your future serious. Well, Janiyah, I wanna say publicly, I am so proud of you.

我們之前還有很多對話，今天沒時間一一呈現給大家。但看著你成長，真是一段美好的經驗。看著你成為你想要成為的人，看著你從過去的你變成現在的你，對我來說無比充實，我愛這一切。我迫不及待地想看到你的未來。你也一樣。現在，讓我們進入一個令人心潮澎湃的時刻。

There is a lot to unpack in this episode. I hope that you walked away with something. I want you to think back to what you heard today. I want you to notice something. Growth is full of imperfections.

You heard someone who went from no confidence to confidence to realizing that, oh my god, this is not as everything I thought. Well, life is like that. It doesn't mean you give up, and it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you. Growth is a process. Progress is a process.

I want you to take away from this, how can you apply that principle to your life? Take a moment today to look back and see the progress from where you were to today. Don't forget to account for your progress. And if you haven't had any, well, be honest about that too, and it's never too late to start now. Progress is a process.

If you are determined to reach your end goal, you can too. Just make sure you get the proper help to help you get there. Thank you for listening to mind shift power podcast. Please like and subscribe to my YouTube channel at the mind shifter. If you have any comments, topic suggestions, or would like to be a guest on the show, please visit fatimabay.com/podcast.

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