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Fatima Bey 0:04

This is Mind Shift Power Podcast, the number one critically acclaimed podcast where we have raw, unfiltered conversations that shape tomorrow. I'm your host, Fatima Bay, the Mind Shifter. And welcome everyone. Today we have with us Bazzel Baz, and he is out of Colorado in the USA, and he is the founder of the Association for the Recovery of Children, a former CIA operative, a captain in the U.S. Marine Corps who spent decades working on child recovery cases. He's also an actor who co-starred on NBC's The Blacklist, an author, and a determined warrior. And I so respect that. He's here today to give teens and parents real facts about trafficking, not moving this because it matters. How are you today, Basil?

Bazzel Baz 1:00

Good. Thank you for having me. It's an honor to be here.

Fatima Bey 1:03

Well, thank you for coming on, and thank you for saying yes. So I like to dive right in. So I initially reached out to your organization. Why did you agree to come on this podcast today?

Bazzel Baz 1:15

Um, you know, in order for us to get the message out to parents and teens and literally the world, we have to have a voice out there. And people like yourself do a magnificent job in being that voice for uh causes like this that otherwise people would never learn about or hear about or want to get involved in. So thank you for having us.

Fatima Bey 1:35

And thank you really for coming on because I know that your time is is precious. You are super busy, so I thank you that you said yes. Uh let

The Real Recruitment Process Today

Fatima Bey 1:44

me ask you this. Teens have um you and I both know teens have been fed Hollywood version of what trafficking really is, involving vans and strangers at the malls. Based on your actual operational experience, what does the real recruitment process look like in 2026? And why is Stranger Danger actually making kids and teens less safe?

Bazzel Baz 2:10

Yeah, those are really good questions. I think the the best way to build this out, particularly I think the best way to build this out, particularly for the teens that may be listening, is for them to understand that whether they like it or not, uh in a world that is oversexualized and where money is being made and profit is being made on commodities, uh teens and children are that commodity. Uh just to give you an example, um, most teenagers that are listening to this are aware that we have terrorist groups around the world, but they don't know how terrorist groups actually make their money. And so there are three, three venues. One, which is the major one, is child sex trafficking, two is drugs, and three is illicit businesses. So, in addition to that, because it is so profitable, and because it is a renewable source, human beings are mostly children, this is why they're being targeted. Um and uh it doesn't matter whether they care or not about that, uh, it is just where we are in history right now. So um profit is driving uh the kidnapping and the grooming and the sex trafficking of most children globally around the world. Um yeah, let me stop right there.

Why Kids Become Easy Targets

Fatima Bey 3:32

So can you tell us a little bit more about what people need to know to keep themselves safe? Because, like I said, people think that, you know, like in the movies, oh, well, you're safe as long as somebody's not driving up in a windowless van and snatching you off the street. Is that the number one way it happens?

Bazzel Baz 3:52

Yeah, that's a good question. It does it can happen that way, and it has. Um anybody that wants to acquire a commodity or a child or a teenager will uh come up with all kinds of creative measures to get away with that, whether that's just to put them in the child sex trafficking or pornography or to rape them and then kill them and bury them somewhere. So there are a lot of ways, but um what's interesting uh in society today is that those targets or teenagers that are listening to this who become targets, uh almost in I'd say 92% of the cases we've dealt with in the last 37 years uh all started with them coming from a really bad family setting. Parents that aren't paying attention, parents that don't love them, parents that don't care. So when that gets spotted and assessed by perpetrators who are very professional in what they do now, um, what happens is they figure out what it is that they can target a child with that will lure them out of that setting. So children and teenagers are generally either running away from something or they're running to something. And the predators know that. So what they do is they try ultimately are trying to get a face-to-face so they can abduct or lure or groom a child or a teenager uh into the sex trafficking trade or pornography or whatever it may be or sex slavery or whatever we want to, whatever title we want to use for that. Um and so what happens is uh they will figure out a way to get to them. So whether that's through their computer, whether that's through gaming, uh a lot of it includes deception. Teenagers may be looking for something that's appealing, and that that could come from a person, male or female, that uh is introduced to um a child or a teenager and uh provide something shiny, an object that something the kid wants, you know, or they try to fill that void uh with a false type of love, saying, you know, your parents don't listen to you, I'll listen to you. Oh, I think you're beautiful. Oh my gosh, you mean your your mom and dad won't buy you a car, oh, I'll buy you a car. Whatever it is, because a lot of our children, if they are not raised up in a faith-based community where they know their go-to is the God of this universe, so to speak, then they have no self-worth. And then what happens is they they are searching for an identity that they don't find in the family, then the perpetrator figures out a way to provide an identity to them. And then they're lured by that most of the time. And once they are and they're paid attention to or they are cared for basically falsely, um, they're lured out and then they're put into the sex trade, um, which interesting enough is a place so horrific. Uh, and in fact, it's more horrific than what you see in the movies, to be honest with you. Um, because the movie

The Hidden Cost Of Trauma

Bazzel Baz 7:00

can't, the movie, any movie made about this, you gotta remember it's called it's it comes out of the entertainment industry. So it is created to entertain the audience. The the the one thing that's missing, and you cannot portray this on the screen, is the devastation of the soul, or the demonic influences, or the level of corruption, or how much pain is actually taking place at an individual level, or something even greater than that, is the destruction of the DNA in the human body from trauma. And um, and that's something we could talk about later, but most people aren't talking about that, which is the reason why when a child is taken away into the sex trade and they're rescued from that, one of the reasons why they continue to die physiologically, their organs start to shut down uh for many, many years because no one's repairing their DNA. We're giving them blankets, we're giving them spirituality, we're giving them food, we're giving them wraparound care and a rehab facility. But there's only a few people that I know of right now that have been extremely successful and rehabilitating teenagers almost 100%. And that's uh that's Dr. Brian Thompson uh in Phoenix, Arizona, that uh partnered up with us to approach this challenge, which is the destruction of DNA. How do we repair that? So if you look at it soulfully, the DNA was created by God. And so um we need to take a look at that as well. So um I think that when we see a lot of movies to answer your question, like for example, uh a lot of people are familiar with Sound of Freedom that Tim Balor did. Uh it brought great awareness to this issue. But what it also did in sort of an odd way is it made people think that it's happening over there in some other country for Americans in a third world country, when in fact we in America are the largest buyers of child sex and child sex porn of almost any nation in the world, with the exception of the UK, to believe believe it or not. I was gonna say higher levels of corruption. Yeah, there you go. That's number two. So um excuse me. So for just recently, uh because of the blessing of having President Trump on board, and as of this morning, uh with uh Secretary Mullen and ORR, uh they expressed President Trump's burning desire to put a cap on this problem of child sex trafficking in America. And I I don't know the president personally, but I'm a couple of people removed from him. And I will say this is that when he gets his teeth into something, he doesn't let go. And so I believe his heart's in the right place, and we're starting to see uh something get cleaned up here in America that's needed to be cleaned up in a long time. Uh, not just recovering children, but holding perpetrators accountable. Now, for the audience, I think this is fair to say anybody who tells you that they're gonna get rid of child sex trafficking in America or in the world hasn't been in the trenches long enough. It's not gonna happen on our watch. Okay. That doesn't get straightened up until God comes back. It is it is so over the top uh coordinated and organized by mostly globalists who make so much money that they do not want anybody to interfere with their business model. And so they will go to great lengths to put in disposal operations. For example, a teenager may think, well, you know, if I get trafficked and and I get a little sex trade time and I'm able to escape, I might be, I think I'll be okay. Might not be the case because you may have witnessed a lot of things that other people don't want you to talk about. And so you might not live very long uh after you get out if, that's the big question, if you get out. Most of the children that we rescue are groomed or kidnapped into the sex trade as early as one year old, two years old, whatever it may be. So they're fortunate if they even get past the age of 18, to be honest with you, because of all the drugs, the abuse, uh, the trafficking, the the just the satanic abuse, the demonic influences. I mean, the list of that's the hardest part.

Fatima Bey 11:40

Oh my gosh, yeah, it's the word that I'm using, but it's much more harsh than that. Um, that's a great word. Let me um speaking of brainwashing, and you talked about it a little bit, but let's talk about predators grooming because that's a word that we use a lot, and I think most people, especially teens, don't actually know the

Getting Help Without Escalation

Fatima Bey 12:05

details of what that looks like. And I want to talk about that because I don't want to just soft pedal it and make it sound nice and pretty. Let's talk about the realities. What does grooming look like? So predators groom people to believe uh they're special in love, like we said. For teens who are listening to this right now, how if they realize they might already be trapped in a grooming situation or being targeted, what is the safest and most effective way to get help without escalating the danger?

Bazzel Baz 12:35

Well, number one, if you have a good, solid family unit, go to your parents first and let them know. Second, your parents should take you with your testimony or what's going on and actually go to trusted law enforcement officials that have a huge good reputation of doing something about this issue. Uh the reason I say trusted, and it's it is over the last 37 years, and and I and it's it's a hard thing to say, but the number of law enforcement officers involved in trafficking or involved in child sexual abuse uh has escalated over the last 40 years, to be honest with you. Just now in America are we starting to see law enforcement departments cleaning up their own house, so to speak, and law enforcement officers getting arrested, as are pastors and doctors and other stuff like that. So um, so um I think those are the first two things you that need to be done. Um and the third thing that can be done is we have a tip line here at the Association for the Recovery of Children. And if you're not getting the results uh and no one's listening to you, and you have evidence that you're being trafficked or you're being groomed or somebody's on the computer trying to get you to take your clothes off for money or whatever it may be, um, then yeah, reach out to us and we'll we'll help with that issue as well. Now, here I say all that to say this. Until you know what that looks like, you can't defend against it, okay? There are so many people out there that preach awareness. Um, and it is not as simple as giving you a one-hour speech on what you should look for and what you should do. It is, it is, it requires you at least studying more about the AO, the area of operation, what the criminal enterprise looks like, and all the tactics that they use in order to get you from point A to point B, point B being a horrible, horrible place in child sex trafficking or pornography or what it might be. So I will throw this out there right now. For years, even in America, everybody was preaching awareness. And people were coming to us going, Well, what do I do about it? I need to be trained. And that's why we finally opened up the Fight Child Trafficking Equipping Course, which is six days, 12 hours a day intense training on how you recognize all these things. But not only that, how you get in the trenches and actually rescue a child who's being groomed and eventually taken into child sex trafficking. So I wish I could cut a corner and say, you can run all this in a day. That's not true. And I would be leaving people I would be not telling the truth, and I would be leaving people down uh a path that's not going to flourish or be successful. We have law enforcement officers that come to us in our course uh every uh every time we carry one, they go, yeah, I get about an hour of this and I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know what I'm dealing with. So I'll give you an example. There's a reason why all the teenagers that are listening to this go to school to learn and get an education and why it takes so long to get an education so they can be successful in the world when they graduate from high school or from college. Well, that's the same program. It we've we know we've been doing it. It is the number one course in America that that helps people succeed and prevents children from actually getting abducted. And if by chance that does happen, it teaches other people how to go get them out of those situations. Because in America, we don't have enough law enforcement uh that can do it all. You know, our federal government can't do it all. So one of the primary uh tips of the spear in the United States are a lot of NGO, non-government organizations that are actually out there in the trenches saving kids or doing rehab or whatever it may be. I will tell you in America,

Why Awareness Alone Fails

Bazzel Baz 16:35

there are also those NGOs that are popping up and they are taking advantage of the situation and they're getting grant money and paying big salaries and making all kinds of claims that they're doing things, and they're not. We, as one of the oldest running organizations, have the opportunity, the ability to go behind the veil and see who's doing what. And I will tell you, after years of vetting organizations, we now only work with about 12 organizations in the whole United States of America simply because they have proven to do what they say they're doing. So this is my advice to teenagers. Yeah, get yourself trained. That's the biggest thing.

Social Platforms And Bold Abductions

Fatima Bey 17:15

Let me ask you about this in this detail in particular. Um, and if if I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong. But I'm just curious, are some of the are some of the victims, some of the people they can buy, they can snatch up to sell, are they finding them on OnlyFans?

Bazzel Baz 17:33

Yeah, yeah. We got Pornhub, OnlyFans, I mean, uh Roadblocks, I mean, you just name it. Any, think about this. And and this is how we like to think about it. If I were a perpetrator and I and my mission was to get a kid, what are all the things that I could come up with that I would do to eventually get my hands on that kid? It's very simple. It's very simple. Just think like the enemy. Snapchat. And then all of a sudden, you Yeah, yeah. I mean, e even to the most basics, which we saw in America once we had our open border crisis, what we saw is taking place was what was taking place around the world, where people were literally, perpetrators are literally walking in parts in America, and they still do. They'll see a small child that's oh, maybe 20 feet from his mom or his dad, and they will run across the field, grab the kid, run, get in the car, and go away. Or they'll steal a kid in a grocery store with a kid in a basket when the parent is like, you know, six feet away looking for canned goods on the grocery shelf. So they're that bold. They're that bold. And and because they know, guess what? They can go save that, sell that kid. And that's what they used to do in a country before they, you know, illegally got into our country in America. So, I mean, and and we monitor what's going on in the UK regularly. And uh, and and look, I'm unashamed about this. You know, I I will let me let me preference this by saying this. In America, and I think this is proper, in America, we don't have Irish Americans, we don't have Pakistani Americans, we don't have uh African Americans, we don't have those. What we have are Americans. That's it. That's our nationality here. And we have perpetrated this division in our country by dividing up American citizens and saying, well, you're an African American, you're a Chinese. Most of those people have never been to those countries. They were born here. So they're just Americans. And this is an American problem that has to be fixed by Americans. Well, I'll say the same thing about the UK and other countries, okay? We also experience this as in the UK, where we have a lot of people from other countries that have come in illegally, and they have no national or sovereign ties to the nation. So they don't obey the laws. They don't care about the laws. What they care about are the bad habits they brought with them, which is generally speaking, and in the with this subject matter, raping and trafficking children or making money off of children. Um, and so that is what we deal with. That's what other nations are dealing with. So what's the solution? Well, the solution in America is if you're an illegal alien here and you're not following U.S. laws to begin with, and you're raping our children, you should get the death penalty, or you're gonna get extradited out of this country. And that's what we're trying to clean up right now. And I'm I'm watching that happen in the UK also. And and when I say this, there are going to be people going, well, well, you're you're just now you're you're banging on religious ideology. No, in the Islamic community in America and in the Islamic community in England right now, we'd have a horrible problem with child sex trafficking and and not obeying the law. Now, people go, You can't talk about that. Yeah, I can, because my grandfather was a Muslim who came to America in 1914, who eventually converted to Christianity. So I know quite a bit about Islam and other things. And I will tell you this in our country, we have a problem with Islam in our country, and when it comes to the abuse of children, they it is an ideology that believes that it is okay to rule over women and abuse children. And people go, well, that's not true. Well, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Who The Perpetrators Really Are

Fatima Bey 21:17

Let me ask you this. How many of the perpetrators, uh, how much of the perpetrators of child sex trafficking in the within the U.S., I'm just talking about the U.S. right now, are other Americans?

Bazzel Baz 21:30

Oh, I I think uh it's a tremendous amount. I would say, you mean like American citizens, you mean?

Fatima Bey 21:36

Yeah. Yeah.

Bazzel Baz 21:38

Yeah. I'd say 70% of our perpetrators are American citizens. Yeah, seventy percent. And because the seventy percent outnumber the other the other ones, the illegal immigrants, that's only about thirty percent maybe right now. Maybe less than that. That's that's why I'm asking.

Fatima Bey 21:56

I'm sorry. Um while it is true that there are There are people coming into this country who are doing bad things. That's absolutely true. I I do believe that a good percentage of them don't fall into that category. But I think that people who people have this misnomer, this uh wrong image that it's not Americans doing any of the trafficking. And that's why people don't understand that your next door neighbor might have might be trafficking through their basement way out there in the lily white hills of the suburbs, you know, where people think it doesn't have, oh, that's an inner city thing. That's a third world country thing. And I say that's BS because you you know more about it than me, so you can correct me if I'm wrong with any of this. But I would say you're exactly right earlier.

Bazzel Baz 22:44

There are US.

Fatima Bey 22:45

They look like everything. They're black, they're white, they are Asian, they are uh Afghani, they are uh Nigerian, they are uh Mexican, they are white American, they are everything. So we can't just look at one uh at certain people and go, oh, you must be a trafficker. Traffickers wear suits, they wear hoodies, they wear their caps backwards, they sometimes wear US Army fatigues or what are they called, outfits, uniforms, I can't think of the word right now. They they come in all shapes, all sizes, all colors. And so I want people to understand that as well. And can you tell people what they should be looking for, especially the teens right now? What should they be looking for as far as not this getting snatched off the street part? Because you you talked about that, and we all we know that that happens for sure. Um, obviously, as you said before, watch your kids if you're a parent. Uh, don't just be out by yourself and think you're okay because you look like a victim to some people. And also what you said about looking, and this is a key point that I think, oh, it's just a whole nother episode by itself. The best victims are the ones who are not who don't have a good home life. The best victims are the ones who have low self-esteem because nobody gave them any. The best victims are the ones who look like I'm looking for somebody to love me, I'm looking for approval. They were targets on their backs. Am I right?

Bazzel Baz 24:13

You are correct. Yes. Yes. I I don't think I could have summed it up any better.

Fatima Bey 24:20

What can the teens who are listening right now?

Bazzel Baz 24:22

You are correct. Yeah.

Fatima Bey 24:23

What can they look for? How can they recognize um not just the the people on the street that want to snatch them, but the grooming part? Let's talk about that grooming part. Because I think even though I know what grooming is, and you definitely know what grooming is, I don't think most teens listening right now actually understand what grooming looks like. So, what should a teenage girl or boy look for around them that indicates they're being groomed?

Bazzel Baz 24:53

Great

Identity, Consent, And The Grooming Ladder

Bazzel Baz 24:54

question. First thing they should look for actually is they should stand in the mirror and say, Who am I? Not what I do, but who am I? That's number one. Because if they don't have solid identity, someone's going to try to give them a new identity, okay? Number two, they should ask themselves while they're looking in the mirror, what am I willing to do with my life in the future? Is it worth it if I am stolen and trafficked and drugged and raped 10 times a day and killed? Is that worth that to me? Because not all the money in the world that they get promised, which as you and I know, they don't hardly see any of that money as all when they're being trafficked. Um, and and it's not as shiny as the perpetrators tell them it is. Is that worth my life? Is that the direction I want to go into? Now, most teens, and I say this to them, and we've talked to teens a lot, it's like no one can help you if you don't want to be helped. If you want to throw your life away, there's a billion ways you can do that. You can, you can commit suicide, you can do drugs, you can be trafficked, you can hide in a hole in the wall, whatever, if that's what you want out of your life. And we can't, if that's what you want in your life, and we can't change that, okay? But once you're in that situation, if you, if that's not what you want out of life, and you find yourself in that situation, it's gonna be so horrible that you're gonna pray every single day that some organization like ours comes and gets you out of that. So with that in mind, if you are the type of teenager that is seeking identity, if you are seeking shiny things, if you are seeking for people to love you and care for you because it's not being done at home, then you have to be aware that people that start popping up in your life and start offering you the things that you don't have at home, chances are they're trying to groom you for something. All right. Outside of the fact there are a lot of good organizations and good people like yourself that um that do sincerely want to help teenagers and show up in their life and say, look, here's guidance, here's wisdom, and I don't want anything in return. Here's here's here's what you got to be aware of. When someone wants something in return for helping you, the chances are you're gonna get groomed, okay? And what they're gonna do is they're gonna try to take you out of a protected environment somewhat, and they're gonna try to have you abused so that they can profit from that. And that's the very first thing I tell teenagers, look for that. What did they want in return? Somebody'll say, Oh, I met this guy online. Well, how old is the guy? Well, he's he's my age. He's 14. Really? How do you know that? Well, he said he was. He sent me a picture. It could be AI, it could be anything. It's educating them. And uh, what is it that he wants from you? Well, he doesn't want anything from me. He just wants to love me. Okay, all right, well, let's follow this. And then a week later, you're having the conversation with, so what else did he want from you? Uh nothing, but you know, we we like each other, so he asked me to take off my bra and my and my shirt, you know, my shirt and my bra. Oh, well, he wants something from you. He wanted what? He wanted to see you naked. So he wanted something from you. What does he want next? Well, he he gave me some money in return for it. So I mean he doesn't really want anything. Oh, yes, he does. Guess what? Yep, that's right. What's the next thing? And so after a while, you paint a picture for the teenagers and they hopefully they go, Oh my gosh, he he he's not in, he's not what I want. Now, here's the challenge we want with all teenagers. Because we live in an oversexualized society, and because all you teenagers have phones and you're influenced with propaganda, mostly sexual propaganda sometimes, and fancy things and people's lives that you want to live, like the Kardashians or whoever it may be, when somebody comes into your life and they offer you that stuff, you take it like a fish on a hook. And then you get lured out or you get groomed and you end up in a horrible place. Okay. Maybe never to return and see your family or your friends or life because you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker, and now you're stuff in a cage someplace in somebody's basement, fed once a day, burned with cigarettes, raped 15 times a day, and no one can hear your cries or your screams, or drugged every single day, your body's falling apart, and you'll never see the light of day, maybe the rest of your life, and maybe you'll die in that cage, and they'll bury you in the backyard and burn your body or pour acid on it, whatever. And everything that you hoped for as an adult, thinking when you were 14, that one day I'm gonna be a doctor, one day I'm gonna be a fireman, I'm gonna be a police officer, it's not gonna come true because you can't escape. And that's the horror and the reality, and that's how you get groomed, and that's how it happens. That's what you have to watch for.

Fatima Bey 30:15

And Bez, a lot of stuff you just mentioned is horrific, especially for someone that has a visual, a visual uh process things visually, like me. Uh, it's almost traumatizing just hearing it. But it is reality. And everything you're saying is not just idealistic. This is stuff that in the field you've dealt with, seen, and learned about. So you're not, and I'm saying this for the audience's sake, he's not just talking ideally from a movie script. This is stuff that he's seen and knows knows is real. And it's what happens. And the reason I keep bringing up OnlyFans, I want to bring it up again because OnlyFans is not the only platform, but it's one that everybody knows. So I'm going to use it as an example. When you are already willing to prostitute yourself, whether it's on Pornhub, whether it's on OnlyFans, you are already telling the perpetrators you already have a willingness for what they want to use you for. They go on there and get them out. And you can, and Badge, you can respond to respond to this, correct me if I'm wrong with any of this. But they go on there and they're looking for, it's a great place to find people who are willing to do what they want to do. Only they're gonna take it a lot further and they're gonna take your will away from you after they groom you out of it. But you're already willing to take cash for flashing your tits. You're already willing to take take cash for showing your feet, for playing with yourself or whatever they want you to do. You're already willing to do that. So since you're willing to do that, oh, this is gonna be an easy piece of cake for me. I can take this girl, this young man, because it happens to both, and do whatever I want with them and get them into the cycle so I can make some more money off their ass. That is what they're thinking. Am I correct?

Bazzel Baz 32:01

Yes, you are correct. And here's another thing, and you alluded to this when we before we got on the show. There is a demonic

Moral Compass And Spiritual Warfare

Bazzel Baz 32:08

component to all of this when it comes to child sex trafficking. And and here this is what I would tell teenagers out of wisdom. It's a word that you guys don't use too much out there in your culture, whether you're Gen X or Gen whatever, it's going to be next next year. Um, but wisdom tells us, and when you get older, you'll you'll seek wisdom. It's important. But wisdom tells us that God doesn't need your belief or your disbelief in order to exist. Everybody departs this earth and we all stand before the creator of this universe. All right. So you don't have to believe in demonic influences in order for them to exist. They do exist. And if those demonic influences they want to hurt the heart of God, and how do they do it? They go after teenagers and children, okay? Because you guys are the most innocent. You haven't had a chance to experience the world. And there's people like us and like Fatima who are older that are out here to protect you because we have seen these things. And other organizations, um, some federal government organizations are the people that are trying to teach you awareness or or help you not fall into this trap, so to speak. They're there because they have an undying love for humanity and mostly for children, because you teenagers and you children are the future of the world. And if you are left in a dysfunctional environment, you will grow up to be a dysfunctional adult. And it's sad. And so what we try to do is stop the evil, try, stop the demonization, stop all those things from harming you or hurting you. Whether you want our help or not, that's what we do. Okay. So certainly, if you don't want the help, you know, don't listen to any of this. And and I'm just being frank with you. I was a teenager too. You know, most teenagers, we think we know everything. The older we get, we find out we didn't know very much at all. So if this is a road you want to travel, then good luck with that. Because I'm going to tell you, after 37 years of rescuing teenagers and children, it's very sad. Um, it's heartbreaking. And um, and I'd say a lot of them don't ever get out of it, to be honest with you. So Satan or the dark side, or whatever you want to refer to it, wants to destroy humanity and they want to destroy you as a teenager because you are so precious to the rest of humanity and to God and to the world. Um, particularly when you grow up to be a healthy adult and you save other people, or you save the world, or you contribute to society or whatever it may be, and or you contribute to society or whatever it may be, um, in such a positive manner that the world is better for it. And I'm going to tell you what, the dark side doesn't want the world to be better for it. So the dark side, the evil, the demonization, Satan, whatever you want to call it, wants destroy, wants to destroy the potential good that will come from every teenager that is unaffected by trafficking. And how do they do it? They traffic you through all these different ways and they they come after you, as we've said over and over and over, you're a target, whether you want to be a target or not. Um, you don't have you don't have a choice in this game. You know, it's not something you ask for, but it is what has evolved in society, particularly a very over-sexualized society that believes it's okay to rape children or to rape teenagers and take away everything they can from you so that you can never be successful.

Fatima Bey 35:53

I want to add to that, um, and I'm talking to the teenagers listening right now. When you're being groomed and you think you're being taken care of, they just see you as a commodity. Quite frankly, you ain't nothing but ass and pussy to some of them that they can sell. Honestly. So don't assume that because somebody's being nice to you that they're they're not grooming you. And I love the way Basil put it. What are they asking for you in return? Because what they ask for you in return starts off with just taking off your bra and shirt on OnlyFans or some or just on your phone. It starts off that way. And eventually the ask gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and they keep asking for more and more. And every time they ask, they give you something else because you know they care about you, right? They don't. You're just a commodity for them, for for them to sell. And I just think it's so important that it's not a fun message, it's not a nice, fluffy, inspirational message, but that's not what we're here for. We're here for the truth. And the truth is you are the next victim unless you decide that you're going to be determined right now not to be. A predetermination needs to start and happen with you listening right here and right now. Be determined that you're going to listen. I have not seen Basil's course that he's talking about, but I do plan on actually taking a look at it and taking it myself because I want to learn more about what I can do. I have this platform, this is what I can do, but what else can I do? So I think everybody should learn what we can do about the human beings that are around us. Because the longer the the less of us do anything, the more okay it is. The more we're given a permission pass to the pieces of trash that do it. I'm off my soapbox. So, because I'll go on.

Bazzel Baz 37:55

Well, that's great. Well, very much if I could if I could compliment you on that and and add this in a nutshell, I think what I'm hearing you say, which is true, the only thing that allows evil to rule is for good people to do nothing.

Fatima Bey 38:11

Yep.

Bazzel Baz 38:11

So I'm going to encourage the teenagers out there uh that are listening to your program. Um, there is nothing stopping you from getting involved in this fight to protect other teenagers. You know, you don't have to wait till you're an adult to do this, to learn what it is, um, to protect your little brothers and sisters, to protect your newborn cousin or whatever it may be, whether it's sexual abuse that's taking place in your family, whether it's sexual abuse and trafficking that takes place by an outside perpetrator or anybody else, you need to learn how to be stronger and to defend yourself and be the smartest person in the room when it comes to this issue about sex trafficking and pornography and abuse and murder and all these things as a teenager, you know, and you can do that and you can be teenagers around the world can be the next force to be reckoned with when it comes to this issue of trafficking, anti-trafficking, you know. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

What Teens Can Do Right Now

Fatima Bey 39:13

So um I want to ask you, what advice do you have for the youth of the world today?

Bazzel Baz 39:19

Wow, the youth of the world, that's a great question. Thank you. It's a big one, too. Um is that one of your loaded questions? It probably wasn't. Um They're all loaded. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna give that answer speaking from experience. Um and and this is this is the truth that I've learned. There are so many influences out there that we cannot control, um, that somebody has to control them in order to keep us safe. And that is why I always encourage teenagers to have a good moral compass. If you don't have God in your life, um, then you need to get that relationship started because he controls the uncontrollable circumstances. He is the one that sends his angels to protect you when you can't protect yourself. He is the one that makes miracles happen that keep us all safe. And so that's the first thing. Number two, based on that, you will learn what a good moral compass is, how to live your life, how to be protected, what is the right thing to do, right? And in life now, people know me to be a person that lives lives basically by two things with this trafficking issue. One, how does whatever I do help me save a kid? That's number one. And number two, always doing the right thing. And the sad thing is a lot of kids don't know what the right thing is because their parents don't teach them. But God teaches you what the right thing is. So because of that very big demonic influence that Fatima, you mentioned, um, this is something as a human being, you can't fight on your own. You have to have spiritual warfare, you have to have a spiritual entity, God, helping you with that. So that's the first thing. So you know what the right thing is to do, so you have a good conscience, you don't get swayed by the world or the world's opinion on things, um, and uh and and you're able to able to be successful. That that's the second thing. I mean, that's the third thing, actually. The second thing, uh, third thing, excuse me, um, is get yourself trained on this issue because it's not going away. Whether you're a teenager now, and let's say you're 18, but you're gonna be 20 here pretty soon, you know. When you're 20, you're gonna still deal with this issue. And when you're 25, if you have kids on your own, you're gonna deal with this issue with your kids because they're gonna become targets of opportunity for perpetrators. So as I mentioned earlier, you teenagers, it's not going away and it's not something we wanted, um, but it's here, and you have to face that reality. This is the only war, Fatima, that I know of that involves all of us children, teenagers, adults, elderly, whatever. It involves all of us. It requires all of us to fight this war, and I will tell you this this war is not going away. Unlike conventional wars where nations fight against nations and someone wins the war and we move on, and there's not another war until, you know, 20 years later, maybe or something. Um, this war is every single hour of every single day from here to eternity. So the question is, what can you do about it? You can take the biggest bite out of it on your watch. That's it. Always remember this. I'll tell the teenagers this right now. One man or one woman with courage is always a majority. All right. Do not wait for people to rally around you to do the right thing, to save other teenagers, to save yourself from being victims of child sexual abuse or child sex trafficking or pornography or whatever it may be. All right, because people are generally looking for people to support them or whatever. Look, this this is Fort Apache for us here at Art for 37 years. We don't wait for anybody, all right? And we're very solution-oriented. Everybody on my team knows. You don't come to me and go, we got a problem. No, come to me and tell me we have a solution. What we're gonna do about it, and we are not gonna wait to have an army of 100 people. If it's one person, it's two people, whatever it may be, we're gonna go get the job done. We're gonna go save kids. When I started this in 1993, it was just me, out on my own, saving kids. And then it became two and then three and whatever. And now, you know, we have international strategic partners and all that kind of stuff. But had I waited for somebody else to do this, it would have never gotten done. And children would not have been safe. So, out of all that, I'm saying this. And I'll close with this right here. Before you can even get involved in this AO, this area of operation, you have to care about this issue. If you don't care about this issue, get out of our way. I don't want you in front of us. I don't want you beside us. I don't want you behind us. Just get the friggin' out of our way, okay? Because we're coming through and we're going to do something about this issue. If you do care about this issue, then give 100% to understand what it's all about and how you can make a difference. Because saving one child may not change the world. But for that one child, their entire world will change.

Fatima Bey 44:46

Yes.

Bazzel Baz 44:46

And if that's the kind of person you are, then we welcome you to this fight. We will do whatever we can to get you schooled up and trained up and come alongside you as strategic partners to help you do the same thing we do. And that's rescuing children that are missing, exploited, or sex trafficked around the world.

How To Support ARC And Train

Fatima Bey 45:05

So how can people help your organization right now?

Bazzel Baz 45:10

Thank you. Number one, keep us in your prayers. That's a big thing. Number two, um, we're an all-volunteer service. Uh, no one has ever gotten paid for doing this work. So your donations are greatly appreciated. We do pay operational expenses uh for all of our operators, get them out in the field and go save a child and come back. And then the third thing you can do for us, and you can you can go to uh you can go to our website, recoveryofchildren.org. There's a donation button there. So we welcome those. Um and the third thing, which is very important too, go to recoveryofchildren.com and look at our fight child trafficking uh equipping course and sign up. Uh we're able to do six of these courses a year because we're running, and that's it, because we're running operations um most of the time outside of that. Get yourself trained up, get qualified, get certified, and go out and do what we do. Get in the trenches and go save children. Um the course is intense. It's not for the faint-hearted. We don't recommend it for former traffic victims because it is it is traumatizing because we don't sugarcoat anything. Um, we do have people sign NDAs, nondisclosure statements, because we do teach tradecraft that we don't want the bad guys to know about so that we can be successful. But those are the three things you can do to help our organization and come along in our organization and help us save more kids. We need to force multiply. We need to build out this army of other NGOs that can go save children. That's that's kind of that's kind of the basics right there.

Fatima Bey 46:51

Well, thank you so, so, so much, Bazzel, for coming on today. I really, really do wish that we had more time to talk because this is something that, um, as I told you before the recording has been a a large passion for me for a number of years. So I knew when I started this podcast that this is going to be a topic that I talked about, but I'm very particular about who I will talk, um, who I will have on to talk about it with because I want to have real conversations that are deep and unsugar-coated. And that's why I asked you on. Um, just straight to the point and tell the truth. So, Bazzel, I thank you, and I really respect all that you do, and I really mean that. Um, and I for all of those who have not been able to say thank you for all that you've done and all the rescues that you've done that haven't been public, I'm now saying thank you. Thank you on behalf of all those kids' lives who were changed, who were not ended because of what you're doing. So thank you.

Bazzel Baz 47:55

You're welcome. Thank you very much for having us here. God bless you, and I'll look forward to speaking with you in the future then, okay?

Fatima Bey 48:01

Yes.

Bazzel Baz 48:02

All right.

Host Reflection And Closing

Fatima Bey 48:05

And now for a mind-shifting moment, I want to focus on something that Basil said that I think is very important because it applies to more than just the subject of trafficking. And he said, have a moral compass. He's 100% right on that. But I want to tell you why. What comes with a moral compass? What does that mean? It means that you have boundaries, you have lines that are not to be crossed. I'm not saying that your morals need to be the same as mine. What he's saying, what I agree with, is you need to have a moral compass. When you have a moral compass, it's difficult, it's more difficult to manipulate you. It's more difficult to play games with your mind because you have lines that you will not allow to be crossed. When you don't have a moral compass, you are the best and easiest victim because there are no lines to be crossed. There are no barriers, there's no borders, there's no boundaries. So I want you to sit with this. What does your moral compass look like? That's not for you to answer to me. That's for you to answer for yourself. What does your moral compass look like? You've been listening to Mind Shift Power Podcast for complete show notes on this episode, and to join our global movement, find us at fatimabay.com. Until next time, always remember there's power in shifting your thinking.